Et tu, Dan Crenshaw?

[Det-Sog]

I hope you sent this to Crenshaw and everyone else.

Unless YOU are Crenshaw, they aren't listening. Short of repealing the 2nd, you can NEVER stop all of these evil people from doing evil things. YES, this problem is uniquely American, but the 2nd is uniquely American. What is the solution? I DON'T KNOW. Even if you repeal the 2nd, it will take generations for all of these weapons that have proliferated to be collected. Is that YOU Dan, if so, see below...

As if there is going to be any "deal" where we actually get something in return, like nationwide CCW or deregulating SBRs..

The best "deal" we're likely to get is going to be be the same one it always is: "You get to keep what you already have".... until some undetermined point in the future when they decide that's no longer acceptable either.

THIS is where I am. "Compromise" means that we get something in return. Keeping what you have "for now" is NOT compromise. Trust me, this time, the compromise will be "for now". As I said in another post, we WILL see another AWB with at least a 11+ round magazine confiscation as part of it within the next 10 years. Sure, keep those AR/AKs, but turn in those 11+ round mags right away.

[Circle_10]

The point is to flip the script. The left isn’t going to give us adequate constitutional protections and we know it. What we need to do is set this up so that they flatly refuse our offers of “compromise”, then we get to say that not only do they not want to protect the 2nd Amendment, they’re not even all that interested in solving this “problem”.

Put something on they table they can’t swallow and ram it down their throats.

Ah, we'll still get painted as unreasonable lunatics just for wanting "anything" in return, let alone national CCW and deregulating NFA stuff.
How dare we try to use this national emergency as leverage to get what we want! And imagine the headlines when the deal falls through because the Dems won't go for it.

"Gun extremists torpedo background checks with insane demand for 'more machine guns"

"Kamala Harris: 'They tried using our children's lives as a bargaining chip!"

[Det-Sog]

I can't imagine how much pressure boys are under these days because they can't be boys anymore... When JFK was shot, they did not blame the gun. The problem ain't the guns. Are you listening Dan???

[sundance435]

I can't imagine how much pressure boys are under these days because they can't be boys anymore... When JFK was shot, they did not blame the gun. The problem ain't the guns. Are you listening Dan???

That’s not necessarily true. Although 5 years late, the JFK assasination was the impetus for the GCA of ‘68. RFK and MLK sealed it. Times may change, but not perceptions. Never mind that the ‘68 GCA preceded a massive surge in violent crime for the next 20 years.

[fledge]

Unless YOU are Crenshaw, they aren't listening. Short of repealing the 2nd, you can NEVER stop all of these evil people from doing evil things. YES, this problem is uniquely American, but the 2nd is uniquely American. What is the solution? I DON'T KNOW. Even if you repeal the 2nd, it will take generations for all of these weapons that have proliferated to be collected. Is that YOU Dan, if so, see below...

My experience: the gun community has long depended on the NRA to stand for them. That has failed. The gun community likes others to do their work. The gun community likes to sit on their hands and complain that nobody listens. The gun community likes to pretend the constitution protects them while they engage in infighting and idealism. The gun community rarely moves to action, never marches, rarely sends letters or makes calls apart from the scripts the gun lobbies send. The gun community thinks they can just bunker down with a “Yeah right, I’d like to see you try it” and “I’m not giving up anything.” Fudds and freedom-minded curmudgeons are sinking the ship faster than Bloomberg can.

If unified engagement doesn’t work and if no one is listening, please tell the progressives. They make it work and they don’t sit on their hands.

If we expect change, we need to be willing to make an effort beyond masturbatory venting frustration within our own cave.

I’m surprised how malleable politicians are these days to pressure from their constituents. I follow a politically active people on social media who show up at the representative’s office to talk, who organize public hearings, to canvas streets. They get little support on the ground. Gun owners don’t show up to events. When they do they look like a hodgepodge of stereotypes that plays against them. If we dedicated 10 years to form a grassroots groundswell of clearheaded, civilized action, unifying with those doing the work and clarifying the message, I know we’d see real change for freedom.

If that didn’t work, I’ll say it’s all pointless. But defeatism is not the countenance of free men.

How dedicated are M4C members to this effort? From what I’ve seen the last decade, very little. Money and mouth are in different places.

[Diamondback]

My experience: the gun community has long depended on the NRA to stand for them. That has failed. The gun community likes others to do their work. The gun community likes to sit on their hands and complain that nobody listens. The gun community likes to pretend the constitution protects them while they engage in infighting and idealism. The gun community rarely moves to action, never marches, rarely sends letters or makes calls apart from the scripts the gun lobbies send. The gun community thinks they can just bunker down with a “Yeah right, I’d like to see you try it” and “I’m not giving up anything.” Fudds and freedom-minded curmudgeons are sinking the ship faster than Bloomberg can.

If unified engagement doesn’t work and if no one is listening, please tell the progressives. They make it work and they don’t sit on their hands.

If we expect change, we need to be willing to make an effort beyond masturbatory venting frustration within our own cave.

I’m surprised how malleable politicians are these days to pressure from their constituents. I follow a politically active people on social media who show up at the representative’s office to talk, who organize public hearings, to canvas streets. They get little support on the ground. Gun owners don’t show up to events. When they do they look like a hodgepodge of stereotypes that plays against them. If we dedicated 10 years to form a grassroots groundswell of clearheaded, civilized action, unifying with those doing the work and clarifying the message, I know we’d see real change for freedom.

If that didn’t work, I’ll say it’s all pointless. But defeatism is not the countenance of free men.

How dedicated are M4C members to this effort? From what I’ve seen the last decade, very little. Money and mouth are in different places.

This describes most of the entire spectrum of so-called "conservative activists," in my experience. Scott Adams called it:

[Diamondback]

The point is to flip the script. The left isn’t going to give us adequate constitutional protections and we know it. What we need to do is set this up so that they flatly refuse our offers of “compromise”, then we get to say that not only do they not want to protect the 2nd Amendment, they’re not even all that interested in solving this “problem”.

Put something on they table they can’t swallow and ram it down their throats.

You're being merciful... I'm thinking more "ram it so far up their ass it knocks out teeth."

[Diamondback]

All this looks good to me.

I hope you sent this to Crenshaw and everyone else.

Thanks for the votes of confidence, guys. What else could we pile on for serious Playing Offense?

Maybe...

• Mandatory basic-safety education in schools--Eddie Eagle/Four Rules stuff
• What else?

[titsonritz]

Crenshaw's statement (not sure how to embed it). Sounds like he is get a lot of push back, good I say, they need to hear loud and clear people are sick of this shit.

https://www.facebook.com/RepDanCrens...type=2&theater

[jsbhike]

My experience: the gun community has long depended on the NRA to stand for them. That has failed. The gun community likes others to do their work. The gun community likes to sit on their hands and complain that nobody listens. The gun community likes to pretend the constitution protects them while they engage in infighting and idealism. The gun community rarely moves to action, never marches, rarely sends letters or makes calls apart from the scripts the gun lobbies send. The gun community thinks they can just bunker down with a “Yeah right, I’d like to see you try it” and “I’m not giving up anything.” Fudds and freedom-minded curmudgeons are sinking the ship faster than Bloomberg can.

If unified engagement doesn’t work and if no one is listening, please tell the progressives. They make it work and they don’t sit on their hands.

If we expect change, we need to be willing to make an effort beyond masturbatory venting frustration within our own cave.

I’m surprised how malleable politicians are these days to pressure from their constituents. I follow a politically active people on social media who show up at the representative’s office to talk, who organize public hearings, to canvas streets. They get little support on the ground. Gun owners don’t show up to events. When they do they look like a hodgepodge of stereotypes that plays against them. If we dedicated 10 years to form a grassroots groundswell of clearheaded, civilized action, unifying with those doing the work and clarifying the message, I know we’d see real change for freedom.

If that didn’t work, I’ll say it’s all pointless. But defeatism is not the countenance of free men.

How dedicated are M4C members to this effort? From what I’ve seen the last decade, very little. Money and mouth are in different places.

Concerning the NRA, I get what you are saying to an extent, but that is the service they claim to offer(& we hear the same on the GOP). I can't think of any other business where the customer is somehow considered to not be trying hard enough and/or flat out in the wrong if the service rendered is less than advertised. Another catch is, NRA from day one has been about boosting federal authority being formed by Union officers. This is summarized by:

"The National Rifle Association has been in support of workable, enforceable gun control legislation since its very inception in 1871."

—NRA Executive Vice President Franklin L. Orth
NRA's American Rifleman Magazine, March 1968, P. 22

Progressives want more .gov and less personal freedom (other than lgbtq?...and that may change based on historical references of how totalitarian states typically handle that section of society.) Even if everyone(100%) showed up at a firearms event wearing tuxedos either no images would be shown or something negative would be made up. Go research extra footage of gay events that won't be shown on mainstream news, but does certainly fit the stereotype for an example. While in college I was attending a firearms/liberty group meeting and ended up sitting beside a school news paper reporter who left with an empty notebook, but somehow managed to write an article full of direct quotes that were never said.

Fudds and many others allegedly in the 2nd Amendment community aren't really 2nd Amendment advocates since they are statists that use guns purely for sport or occasionally the possibility (or in some cases, hope) they can get some reason to light up some segment of society they dislike.

Same firearms/liberty group mentioned earlier held a larger meeting in an election year that included political candidates. The first speakers gave lip service to smaller .gov/more liberty, but then would go on to detail lots of statist utopian ideas on what they really wantex and the crowd ate it up. Then one of the higher ups from GOA at the time (was making appearances on national news) didn't stop at lip service and well over half the crowd left before he was finished with his allotted time.

On a similar note, searching for Tennessee's repeal of their sin tax on ammo (T. Rex Arms has a video on it they recently released) has fudds all kind of pissed because they felt benefit from it. They may view people who buy more than a box of ammo every 3 years with contempt, but they sure don't like it when they can't use shooters which is something I and others have seen at private shooting ranges as well.