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    The NRA are just middlemen. And why pay a middleman if they actually accomplish things. That puts them out of a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themonk View Post
    Everyone writing and calling is always helpful. But do you think Trump is looking at Microsoft Outlook on a computer and saying wow look at all these emails?? No, not how that works. There are filters and most of the time that stuff never even makes it to the president's desk and if it does its in a very brief comment / conversation. Again, learn how washington works.

    The fact that Wayne can do that and have the ability to get into the building and get two hours is the winning combination. No other leader of any Second Amendment group did that or even could.

    Bump stocks were thrown under the bus as there are so few owners. Do I think its bullshit and handled poorly YES. Do I think it's fundamentally against current US code, YES. Do I think its unconstitutional on several levels, YES. But I get why they did it. Any normal american thought it was a workaround around the law. Again we can all agree that the law is BS. The whole thing was a diversionary tactic after Vegas.

    Ding Didg Ding.... Another news flash. The Hearing Protection Act was never going to get done and the BS that Silencerco fed you is bullshit. I was at SHOT where they were telling people that it was an absolute slam dunk and I laughed and said I think you need to go back to civics class. Dude didnt even know what civics class was. Paul Ryan is not a black gun guy. He is a Remington 700 guy and is a total FUDD. He was never going to bring it to a vote. Even if it did pass the house there is no way it would get 60 votes in the Senate. Would trump sign it? Yes. Don Jr. said he would get it done on that end but they all have to deal with Congress and then Vegas happen and it is totally dead.

    You just seem like a grumpy old man that doesn't understand how Washington works and because of that you bitch about the past and all the wrongs. Sure, I get it but those things are not changing any time soon. And by most political scientists estimates the Republican party has some really big problems on the horizon. So my recommendation would be to stop whining about the past and focus on the future. You sir are not helping at all.
    Well you didn't say a single word about anyone else. I tend to guess staff would summarize and tally any correspondence.

    Not exactly old, but I have seen how doing the same thing over and over and claiming to expect a different outcome has brought us to where we are now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uni-Vibe View Post
    National association for gun rights?

    Second amendment foundation?

    Gun owners of America?

    What do you think?
    I just renewed my NRA membership.

    Why?

    Well, I don't support all of what they are doing/have done. I do not agree with their direction, much of the time. So why would I renew?

    Simple. They are the only group that the politicians fear. They are the only group we IMMEDIATELY see being attacked/fighting back against rhetoric after a tragedy is politicized. They are my best hope for giving pause to anti-gunners. Are their aims the truest and intentions the purest? I doubt that. But they're the only one's wielding a weapon (numbers and funding) that actually scares politicians.

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    I don't love all the NRA's practices and I have zero respect for Wayne L.--he's a corrupt douche living large on our 2A support $$$. They are messed up and need a house cleaning.

    That said...when you're in a battle for your life, the enemy of your enemy is your friend. The NRA is a common ally in most things, they are incredibly influential in Washington D.C., they have helped with a *lot* of legislative and legal victories, and it would be a major mistake to ignore them entirely.

    I support the NRA (life member, + occasional ongoing donations), the 2AF, and then a couple of think tanks that are working more broadly to try to rebuild the broken culture.

    Seems like sometimes members of the gun-owning community are unable to see the larger picture, we have a tendency to splinter and fragment into many small groups, none of which have enough power to move the dial. This is why the grabbers and leftists usually win: they can submerge their own differences long enough to unite around a common cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maximus83 View Post
    I don't love all the NRA's practices and I have zero respect for Wayne L.--he's a corrupt douche living large on our 2A support $$$. They are messed up and need a house cleaning.

    That said...when you're in a battle for your life, the enemy of your enemy is your friend. The NRA is a common ally in most things, they are incredibly influential in Washington D.C., they have helped with a *lot* of legislative and legal victories, and it would be a major mistake to ignore them entirely.

    I support the NRA (life member, + occasional ongoing donations), the 2AF, and then a couple of think tanks that are working more broadly to try to rebuild the broken culture.

    Seems like sometimes members of the gun-owning community are unable to see the larger picture, we have a tendency to splinter and fragment into many small groups, none of which have enough power to move the dial. This is why the grabbers and leftists usually win: they can submerge their own differences long enough to unite around a common cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    I wish the GOA was a huge organization with almost 5 million members, but if that happened they'd probably become a lazy ass lobby group who funnels most of their income into advertising and membership drives while engaging in token efforts at best.

    In the past members have been able to make direction changes and demand greater action a few times successfully. Not sure if it was the strength of the membership at the time or societal values or a combination of both.
    I'm not so sure about GOA - I get stuff from them all the time asking me for donations.

    In 2017 they reportedly took in $2,272,624.00. They reportedly had salaries, other compensation and employee benefit expenses of $793,968.00. That is 34.9369 percent of their nut.

    There are board members making money from the corporation: MR. GERALD OGNIBENE IS VOTE RITE SYSTEMS, INC.'S 100% OWNER AND PRESIDENT, AND IS ALSO A GOA DIRECTOR. VOTE RITE SYSTEMS, INC. RECEIVED PAYMENT OF $146,421 FOR CAGING AND COMPUTER SERVICES FROM GOA.

    Read the Form 990 data - https://projects.propublica.org/nonp...ions/521256643

    Taking in the totality of the circumstances, I guess after reading all of this I'll continue to belong to NRA and GOA as well as check out a couple of the others mentioned.

    Edited Edit To Add: Just joined FPC for $20.19 - https://www.firearmspolicy.org/
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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    Simple. They are the only group that the politicians fear. They are the only group we IMMEDIATELY see being attacked/fighting back against rhetoric after a tragedy is politicized. They are my best hope for giving pause to anti-gunners. Are their aims the truest and intentions the purest? I doubt that. But they're the only one's wielding a weapon (numbers and funding) that actually scares politicians.
    Exactly this. For all of their shortcomings the NRA is the strongest advocate of the second amendment that we have on a national level.

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    If Vote Rite is running all the computer side of things, that's not a lot of money. and as far as I'm concerned they have the best run and most user friendly tech interface to the public that I have seen from any 2A oriented system. Now I don't know if that is because of VoteRite or not but whoever is doing it, is good at what they do.

    As far as asking for money all the time. That's advertising 101. I far prefer the way they do it over the way the NRA does it. They give me a valuable service and ask that help out. they do so often.

    The NRA gives me a valuable service and it feels like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. It's a "we will give you this if you do that".. "Ok, but I just did that".. then it's groundhog day.

    GOA gives me links that take me 60 seconds or post cards or phone numbers. Then they ask for money. To me that's reasonable. The NRA asks for money and tells me they will perform a future service. We can't afford to not support them all but I like the way the GOA rolls. Especially their "No" attitude towards Dems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    I just renewed my NRA membership.

    Why?

    Well, I don't support all of what they are doing/have done. I do not agree with their direction, much of the time. So why would I renew?

    Simple. They are the only group that the politicians fear. They are the only group we IMMEDIATELY see being attacked/fighting back against rhetoric after a tragedy is politicized. They are my best hope for giving pause to anti-gunners. Are their aims the truest and intentions the purest? I doubt that. But they're the only one's wielding a weapon (numbers and funding) that actually scares politicians.
    I agree with you but sometimes they remind me of the British fighting in formation as this country was being founded. We need to organize and outfit auxiliary support to their front. I think if we were smart we would be looking for Adjuncts to the NRA and not Alternatives to the NRA. The Dems want us to turn on the NRA.

    If the NRA were a strong front facing force. The GOA and ASA could be flanking support. The State orgs can fill in the gaps. We almost have that forming. I think the GOA could be valuable in helping to organize all this into one connected user friendly interface. They seem to have good communications and great user interface.

    I'll tell you what. Either we as free people can elect a 2A Czar so to speak, that becomes the head of all these varied orgs we rely on. OR... one of the next POTUS will appoint a 2A Czar and I would expect the results to be very different. Something is going to happen. So do we really want to chose one branch of 2A support over the other, or do we want to combine forces?

    What would the Left want. If I were the Left, I would want everyone to turn on the NRA and then I would try to crush any young upstart groups. So the opposite of that is simply to combine forces.

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