Alternatives to the NRA?

[themonk]

That happened because Wayne jumped on a plane and flew to New Jersey this weekend and spent two hours in a room with the President and convincing him that any new laws would suck and greatly piss off his base.

[Det-Sog]

Trump had a sit down with NRA yesterday and he came out talking a whole lot more pro-2A than before.

No more red flag talk... Now it's "we have laws, but we have some gaps in the circle'"

I think all these calls and letters are making a difference. I'm sure he was told in no uncertain terms... hold the line on the 2A or kiss 2020 goodby.

Please go to the GOA site and click the links to contact the WH and your reps. It's all automatic, it's very quick and easy. We need to keep flooding the system with pro 2A.

Spending money is one thing but we have to make noise too.


You do NOT need to be a member to do this. Forward to friends and family.
https://gunowners.org/

Spot on. It’s working. For now.

WE need to keep the political pressure on. I actually picked up the phone and called both of my senators offices the other day. I’ve never done that before.

Even Trump is at least saying different things now. “We have enough laws on the books already, we just need to close the loopholes.”

I listened to him talking to the press this morning. He was black and white. Of course, he could flip back the other way if we let up on the calls and letters that the GOA puts out. Trump knows he will lose 2020 if he waffles ONE INCH on his promise to protect the 2nd.. He was pretty clear today.

I think even Wayne sees the writing on the wall now. If they support anything stupid whether active or by omission, it will be the political suicide of the organization.

100 gun “deaths” a day... THAT is the talking point of the left. Remember that. Of course, 80 of those +/- are accidents and suicide. If you look at homicides only, the number is more like 20 a day.

[jsbhike]

Spot on. It’s working. For now.

WE need to keep the political pressure on. I actually picked up the phone and called both of my senators offices the other day. I’ve never done that before.

Even Trump is at least saying different things now. “We have enough laws on the books already, we just need to close the loopholes.”

I listened to him talking to the press this morning. He was black and white. Of course, he could flip back the other way if we let up on the calls and letters that the GOA puts out. Trump knows he will lose 2020 if he waffles ONE INCH on his promise to protect the 2nd.. He was pretty clear today.

I think even Wayne sees the writing on the wall now. If they support anything stupid whether active or by omission, it will be the political suicide of the organization.

100 gun “deaths” a day... THAT is the talking point of the left. Remember that. Of course, 80 of those +/- are accidents and suicide. If you look at homicides only, the number is more like 20 a day.

I assume homicide can indicate justifiable acts also?

Either way, I would say murder/manslaughter are the bulk of the 20 a day and based on some other stats I would also assume those aren't the first forays in to not so petty crimes for something around 80% of the perpetrators.

[BoringGuy45]

David Hogg and Joe Biden float confiscation of semiautomatic weapons

Excuse me, "mandatory buy backs." I don't know if they're stupid, or if its their goal to start a civil war. I'm going for stupid, because Hogg is too young to think that deeply about this, and Biden is just ignorant. Either way, we need to keep up a full court press.

[tb-av]

GOA just sent out a new link to take action if anyone was having issues with links. https://gunowners.org/ ... but it just goes to the home page, so...

At any rate... the GOA site links are typically inside a page that describes what is going on with any particular issue. It is almost always a RED RECTANGLE

Also the key words they use for letters to Senators and such are typically "Action Alert:"

Here is their page devoted to ACTION by category, Fed, State, etc. Might want to bookmark it. https://gunownersaction.org/

[SteyrAUG]

David Hogg and Joe Biden float confiscation of semiautomatic weapons

Excuse me, "mandatory buy backs." I don't know if they're stupid, or if its their goal to start a civil war. I'm going for stupid, because Hogg is too young to think that deeply about this, and Biden is just ignorant. Either way, we need to keep up a full court press.

Heard Bepo endorsing this absurdity. How exactly is it a "buy back" if they never sold it to me?

Looks like this will be the primary platform of the DNC for 2020 just like Obamacare was in 2008. Remember when we thought that couldn't really happen and then it did. Remember Pelosi telling us it needed to be voted for before we could view the terms?

They will attempt exactly the same shit. If they win in 2020 they will attempt it from 2020 until 2024 until they are successful or voted back out of office.

[tb-av]

Can you imagine having to explain our concern over Biden, O'Rookie, and Hogg to Patrick Henry?

I don't know if he would laugh, cry, or bitch slap us.

Maybe all three.

[jsbhike]

That happened because Wayne jumped on a plane and flew to New Jersey this weekend and spent two hours in a room with the President and convincing him that any new laws would suck and greatly piss off his base.

And we are lucky that happened.

Interesting to know everyone writing and calling just wasted their time so no need for that in the future.

Was the bump stock ban and no progress on making suppressor non-NFA items due to Wayne's actions or lack of?

[jsbhike]

Can you imagine having to explain our concern over Biden, O'Rookie, and Hogg to Patrick Henry?

I don't know if he would laugh, cry, or bitch slap us.

Maybe all three.

I am surprised Patrick Henry gets mentioned at all. I was familiar with the last sentence of The War Inevitable prior to elementary school from cartoons and so on. All through school the last sentence was prominent in any 1770's American history discussion. I was well out of college before I read the whole thing and got to see why the rest never gets mentioned.

Also have figured out why classes concerning the adoption of the Constitution focused on the high temperature at that time and allegedly the windows and doors shut instead of reviewing The Federalist/Anti-Federalisr Papers and debates going on at the time.

[themonk]

And we are lucky that happened.

Interesting to know everyone writing and calling just wasted their time so no need for that in the future.

Was the bump stock ban and no progress on making suppressor non-NFA items due to Wayne's actions or lack of?

Everyone writing and calling is always helpful. But do you think Trump is looking at Microsoft Outlook on a computer and saying wow look at all these emails?? No, not how that works. There are filters and most of the time that stuff never even makes it to the president's desk and if it does its in a very brief comment / conversation. Again, learn how washington works.

The fact that Wayne can do that and have the ability to get into the building and get two hours is the winning combination. No other leader of any Second Amendment group did that or even could.

Bump stocks were thrown under the bus as there are so few owners. Do I think its bullshit and handled poorly YES. Do I think it's fundamentally against current US code, YES. Do I think its unconstitutional on several levels, YES. But I get why they did it. Any normal american thought it was a workaround around the law. Again we can all agree that the law is BS. The whole thing was a diversionary tactic after Vegas.

Ding Didg Ding.... Another news flash. The Hearing Protection Act was never going to get done and the BS that Silencerco fed you is bullshit. I was at SHOT where they were telling people that it was an absolute slam dunk and I laughed and said I think you need to go back to civics class. Dude didnt even know what civics class was. Paul Ryan is not a black gun guy. He is a Remington 700 guy and is a total FUDD. He was never going to bring it to a vote. Even if it did pass the house there is no way it would get 60 votes in the Senate. Would trump sign it? Yes. Don Jr. said he would get it done on that end but they all have to deal with Congress and then Vegas happen and it is totally dead.

You just seem like a grumpy old man that doesn't understand how Washington works and because of that you bitch about the past and all the wrongs. Sure, I get it but those things are not changing any time soon. And by most political scientists estimates the Republican party has some really big problems on the horizon. So my recommendation would be to stop whining about the past and focus on the future. You sir are not helping at all.