Shooting habits that bug you

[Ron3]

I isn't perfect.
But, there are some shooting habits people I sometimes shoot with have that bug me. I try to politely help them, and they often try, but just cant quit the habit.

1. Riding recoil when firing low-recoil guns. I can't understand this one. They'll shoot say, a 9mm, and rather than control the recoil they just let it ride up. So much so it looks like they are faking recoil. Weird.

2. No follow-through. The instant the shot breaks (just before?) They are already looking over or around the gun to see where the bullet went.

3. Can't square up. (Rifle) They want to blade. Even with a short stock rifle. (11 in LOP) One funny moment occurred when I turned the shooters body by the shoulders. He moved his feet so now he he had the same posture but was now pointing the rifle 30 degrees off target. Then he says, "see, I cant shoot that way."

It was funnier because he wanted to get it, just couldn't.

4. Showing up, THEN start lubricating (IF they lube their handguns) and loading magazines.

5. No speed/assist loaders for mags. (Maglula, etc.) So I'll let kill their thumbs a bit and download mags before I pity them and loan them mine. "Buy shooting accessories and ammo? But I'm saving up for another gun!"

Yours?

[Firefly]

Bringing some chick and giving her a shotgun with high brass.

I can overlook a lot but thats just dangerous, humiliating, and obnoxious.

I would almost rather that they simply catch her off guard in the parking lot and push her over on her ass. It'd be safer and cheaper.


And on the other emd of that spectrum....you are taking some chick shooting. She fully understands what shooting entails. Nothing is a surprise. Then she gets with a .22 and doubled ear pro and she wants to shoot, yelp as loud as she can, drop the gun, and bury her face in your chest.

No...its not cute. No...its not girly. It's a waste of precious range time. We coulda saved the trip and money and simply fornicated.

Same with wanting me to be all clinged up on you to shoot a .22. It's gay. Super gay. I find being lurched over a girl, and helpimg her hold a gun extended as she wiggles up on me to be gay. Please dont sully my range time.


Those two I can live without. I dont do range dates anymore unless she has a shooting history, her own gear, and has passed the written test.

[ST911]

Tactical apathy. I try to mind my own business unless it's someone I'm either responsible for, has asked for my input, is about to be physically harmed, or is costing me time/money.

[Artos]

Brother, I would hope that isn't a bad habit vs simply being deliberate tool in every single case...now I'm sneaking up on 50 but easing a kid / new shooter during firearm introduction starting with rimfire to small centerfire & up is something I bet they even teach in hunting safety classes today?? Long time ago stopped a couple Dad's after chatting at the range where the boys were sighting in to shoot their first deer or hog with a 308 & come to find shot nothing but rimfire to date. Let them shoot my vssf swift & the kiddos were all smiles & told Dads they need to go back or borrow some calibers as a 60-70lb kid isn't gonna enjoy the 308 & possibly a scope dink.

The rest of my irks are hunting / safety related....I'm in the field more than the range these days.

Bringing some chick and giving her a shotgun with high brass.

I can overlook a lot but thats just dangerous, humiliating, and obnoxious.

I would almost rather that they simply catch her off guard in the parking lot and push her over on her ass. It'd be safer and cheaper.


And on the other emd of that spectrum....you are taking some chick shooting. She fully understands what shooting entails. Nothing is a surprise. Then she gets with a .22 and doubled ear pro and she wants to shoot, yelp as loud as she can, drop the gun, and bury her face in your chest.

No...its not cute. No...its not girly. It's a waste of precious range time. We coulda saved the trip and money and simply fornicated.

Same with wanting me to be all clinged up on you to shoot a .22. It's gay. Super gay. I find being lurched over a girl, and helpimg her hold a gun extended as she wiggles up on me to be gay. Please dont sully my range time.


Those two I can live without. I dont do range dates anymore unless she has a shooting history, her own gear, and has passed the written test.

[Arik]

I isn't perfect.
But, there are some shooting habits people I sometimes shoot with have that bug me. I try to politely help them, and they often try, but just cant quit the habit.

1. Riding recoil when firing low-recoil guns. I can't understand this one. They'll shoot say, a 9mm, and rather than control the recoil they just let it ride up. So much so it looks like they are faking recoil. Weird.

2. No follow-through. The instant the shot breaks (just before?) They are already looking over or around the gun to see where the bullet went.

3. Can't square up. (Rifle) They want to blade. Even with a short stock rifle. (11 in LOP) One funny moment occurred when I turned the shooters body by the shoulders. He moved his feet so now he he had the same posture but was now pointing the rifle 30 degrees off target. Then he says, "see, I cant shoot that way."

It was funnier because he wanted to get it, just couldn't.

4. Showing up, THEN start lubricating (IF they lube their handguns) and loading magazines.

5. No speed/assist loaders for mags. (Maglula, etc.) So I'll let kill their thumbs a bit and download mags before I pity them and loan them mine. "Buy shooting accessories and ammo? But I'm saving up for another gun!"

Yours?

1) Seen in movies. Good guy shoots and the handgun rises till the elbow is bent and the gun is by the head pointing up. Usually done as a one shot stop. Like the teacup hold that people still do.

2) Typical range shooter isn't interested in follow through. They're interested in accuracy, making as small a group as possible. Go on 99% of gun forums and you'll see the quality of the gun judged by how small a group it can shoot.

3) Old habits die hard. It's still seen in movies and older guys at the range.

4) So what? Their time/money

5) So what? Their time/money. I do it occasionally. Doesn't really bother my thumb. More important question is why bring a mag loader when you should have loaded them at home while watching TV. Last few classes I went to I loaded a dozen mags without a mag loader....no issues


The only habits that bother me is when someone is being dangerously unsafe. Im not a teacher, only there to shoot. People can do whatever pleases them as long as the gun is pointing down range. Hell, I see people at the range who only seem to socialize. Like they were going to a bar and made a wrong turn. Still, more power to them as it has nothing to do with me

[Ron3]

Bringing some chick and giving her a shotgun with high brass.

I can overlook a lot but thats just dangerous, humiliating, and obnoxious.

I would almost rather that they simply catch her off guard in the parking lot and push her over on her ass. It'd be safer and cheaper.


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Yea, I would NOT let a guy do that do a woman or kid. It isnt cool or funny. Good for you.

[Ron3]

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4) So what? Their time/money

5) So what? Their time/money. I do it occasionally. Doesn't really bother my thumb. More important question is why bring a mag loader when you should have loaded them at home while watching TV. Last few classes I went to I loaded a dozen mags without a mag loader....no issues

It's my time too when I'm the member, they the guest, and we are staying only until X O'clock because it's hot as hell.

But otherwise, yes, I'll just shoot while they load mags, spray guns with oil (?) Etc.

Like you I'm definitely saving time and sweat loading mags at home.

Not only do I have the Lula for them, but I have about two dozen magazines. For Beretta .25's.

[Ron3]

Tactical apathy. I try to mind my own business unless it's someone I'm either responsible for, has asked for my input, is about to be physically harmed, or is costing me time/money.

New phrase to me, I like it.

[Alex V]

I'm with ST911, unless it effects me like someone flagging me with their gun, I will keep an eye on things but ignore their stupidity.

I isn't perfect.

4. Showing up, THEN start lubricating (IF they lube their handguns) and loading magazines.

Yours?

A lot of out of state instructors who come to NJ would get pissed at this one. Then we had to explain to them that driving to the range with loaded mags would be the same as driving with a loaded guns and you couldn't do that in New Jermany.

[26 Inf]

I feel for you guys that have to put up with crowded public ranges or smallish 'lanes' and shooting with folks you don't know.

Our gun club keeps it's membership low, 400 members, so generally I can always find a bay/range to use without the company of others - I prefer to practice alone. If people are with me I'm generally in a teaching/mentoring mode. If I'm on a range/area that I have to share (action pistol falling plate bay, plinking or benchrest range) I simply go to another area if someone shows up. A pleasant 'Hey, I'm done here, give me time to gather my gear and I'll be out of your way' and I'm off.

Here is the map: you can enlarge it to get pretty good detail. We have a plinking range (canopy on North side of 200 yard line) and a benchrest range (smallish canopy to the South of the 200 yard line) which you have to share if someone else shows up, beyond that it is pretty much first come first served. You can shut down the entire South side of the range to practice at 600 yards if you get there before anyone occupies the trap/skeet, plinking or benchrest ranges and nothing is scheduled on the range calendar.

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Ahhh, Kansas. We may be hicks, but we get to shoot.

As for this:

3. Can't square up. (Rifle) They want to blade. Even with a short stock rifle. (11 in LOP) One funny moment occurred when I turned the shooters body by the shoulders. He moved his feet so now he he had the same posture but was now pointing the rifle 30 degrees off target. Then he says, "see, I cant shoot that way."

You need to be able to 'splain by the numbers:

A) Why and when we use this stance

1) Feet, knees, shoulders and hips square into the threat/target;

2) Strong foot slightly to rear;

3) Slight bend at the knees and waist;

4) Head erect, stock mounted as high and close to centerline of body as possible.

Then demo the stance by the numbers w/o weapons and have them get into the stance w/o weapon. Ron Avery does a hell of a job teaching it on a video I watched by equating it to sports you've played - a shortstop alert for the hit.

Then demo the stance with weapon properly mounted, then coach them into the proper position.

If you wanna teach, be ready to teach!