Have an ATN NV Scope? Have an App for it? DoJ wants your name and #...

**glocktogo** · 09-06-19, 15:38

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasb.../#3f5992ed6135

Exclusive: Feds Order Apple And Google To Hand Over Names Of 10,000+ Users Of A Gun Scope App

Own a rifle? Got a scope to go with it? The government might soon know who you are, where you live and how to reach you.

That’s because Apple and Google have been ordered by the U.S. government to hand over names, phone numbers and other identifying data of at least 10,000 users of a single gun scope app, Forbes has discovered. It’s an unprecedented move: Never before has a case been disclosed in which American investigators demanded personal data of users of a single app from Apple and Google. And never has an order been made public where the feds have asked the Silicon Valley giants for info on so many thousands of people in one go.

According to a court order filed by the Department of Justice (DOJ) on September 5, investigators want information on users of Obsidian 4, a tool used to control rifle scopes made by night-vision specialist American Technologies Network Corp. The app allows gun owners to get a live stream, take video and calibrate their gun scope from an Android or iPhone device. According to the Google Play page for Obsidian 4, it has more than 10,000 downloads. Apple doesn’t provide download numbers, so it’s unclear how many iPhone owners have been swept up in this latest government data grab.

If Apple and Google decide to hand over the information, it could include data on thousands of people who have nothing to do with the crimes being investigated, privacy activists warned. Edin Omanovic, lead on Privacy International's State Surveillance program, said the order would set a dangerous precedent and scoop up “huge amounts of innocent people’s personal data.”

“Such orders need to be based on suspicion and be particularized—this is neither,” Omanovic added.

Neither Apple nor Google had responded to a request for comment at the time of publication. ATN, the scope maker, also hadn’t responded.

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**Firefly** · 09-06-19, 15:42

WELL......I certainly feel more free, how about you?

**glocktogo** · 09-06-19, 15:44

Originally Posted by Firefly

WELL......I certainly feel more free, how about you?

Totes!

**jsbhike** · 09-06-19, 16:27

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Ahh the angst over weapons systems recipients.

**rero360** · 09-06-19, 16:56

I’ve always held the belief that “friends don’t let friends buy ATN” ever since I saw them in the Sportsman’s Guide catalogs bought a few things from them when I was a kid and was burned every time due to the crappy quality.

**flenna** · 09-06-19, 17:39

Well, that's disconcerting. What's next, requesting information on all M4C members?

**FromMyColdDeadHand** · 09-06-19, 17:57

As if they don't know.... they are just looking at a way to get the info legally for a prosecution of some sort...

Would they have to have a warrant, or could they just ask nicely?

What's next, everyone who's downloaded a ballistic app? Used the distance measure feature in google...

**ramairthree** · 09-06-19, 18:15

If you’re not doing anything wrong what’s the problem?

If you have the urge to give me the five fingered pimp hand across the mouth for saying that, we would probably get along.

**Diamondback** · 09-06-19, 19:20

Originally Posted by ramairthree

If you’re not doing anything wrong what’s the problem?

If you have the urge to give me the five fingered pimp hand across the mouth for saying that, we would probably get along.

Um, does the urge to reply with a steeltoe in the nuts then one to the teeth count? "If you haff nossink to hide you haff nossink to fear" was supposed to have died with the Nazis... people don't like it when they try that card and I throw their own "you are literally Hitler now! FASCIST!" back in their faces.

The boardware doesn't support Upvotes, but you'd get one on that.