RISE OF SKYWALKER speculation discussion (no bitching, if you don't like SW, go away)

**The Dumb Gun Collector** · 09-07-19, 16:04

Hey guys,

I love SW, and I am really looking forward to the upcoming Rise of Skywalker. I understand the youtube/ comic book guy from the Simpsons block has spoken, and some folks are just not going to enjoy SW anymore. Fair enough, but don't bring your bitching here, start your own discussion. I will delete or even edit complaints about The Last Jedi, the alleged feminism of SW, whining about diversity, SJW plots,, "cucks" or whatever other reason you just can't like SW, but also for some reason can't keep talking about it.

That being said, if you are a SW fan, what do you think is going on in this next flick? It really looks wild. Here is what I can see is going on...

1. Time has passed,

2. There are at least a few world's envolved....

A. Desert Planet (there are many candidates Jeddah, tattoine, Jakku, a new planet.
B. A dark, heavily inhabited planet.
C. A forrest planet. maybe Endor, maybe not.
D. Possibly Endor or another planet nearby, where the remains of the Death Star are present.

3. Carrie Fisher has some limited role. Probably minimal since they allegedly are only using scraps from the other movies.
4. Palpatine is back in some fashion. He is either alive, a force ghost, a more limited force presence, possibly a recording or vision.
5. There is some large space battle.
6. There is a large rebel fleet.
7. There is a VERY large imperial fleet, apparently not necessarily the First Order
8. There is some point in the movie where a person who is either Rey or someone who looks like. her with a Double bladed Lightsaber, and she looks evil. It could be a vision.
9. Lando is back!
10. Luke is probably around as a force ghost.

What do they have to do?

Tie up the Skywalker saga and at least do something that makes Rise of Skywalker make sense. (Unless they do the ultimate switch and change the title at the end. Highly unlikely.

Explain Rey's power. They can make her a nobody, but it would be nice if they explain why she is so powerful.

Resolve Kylo's arc. Will he be redeemed or is he (as I hope), actually the big baddie of the new trilogy.

So how will they do it? JJ is not great at ending stories, in my opinion. But I am hoping he has some help. Obviously, this being Star Wars there will be a space battle. There are clearly saber fights. There will probably be actual deaths of characters you care about and I doubt they will use a time travel gimmick to fix anything.

Theories...?

Basically, I am playing with the idea that Palpatine is a force ghost and is trying to get kylo to bring Rey to him so that he can take over her body. It is actually Palp that has been communing with Kylo through Vader's helmet. She is some sort of Darth Plageis type clone built to help Palpatine "live" again. This would help explain why she is so powerful and doesn't really know why she knows things. Also explains why she was drawn so powerfully to the dark side. Also explains the vision of there being many reflections of her in TLJ.

Although I wouldn't put it past JJ to make the whole Palpatine thing a misdirect, and Palpatine just appears in a force vision of the past, maybe showing Dark Rey as being an evil force user Palp clones or something.

I really want Palp to be dead. I don't like the idea that he is basically Voldemort waiting to reform. But we shall see.

**ABNAK** · 09-07-19, 16:33

Greg,

Do you have a Stormtrooper helmet sticker on the back window of your vehicle?

**gaijin** · 09-07-19, 17:52

Originally Posted by ABNAK

Greg,

Do you have a Stormtrooper helmet sticker on the back window of your vehicle?

Where can I get one?

**Belmont31R** · 09-07-19, 18:12

Originally Posted by gaijin

Where can I get one?

I have a Packers/stormtrooper sticker on the back of my car https://www.greenbayjerseystore.com/...mtrooper-decal

**The Dumb Gun Collector** · 09-07-19, 19:51

Seriously guys, this is a thread for people who want to see and talk about the next Star Wars movie...not to bitch about what you don't like about it or just to be a douchebag. If you hate it that's fine, go start your own thread. I will delete your comments if they are in this thread. (this is in response to several dumb comments I have had to delete, if you can see your post I am not talking about you).

**kwelz** · 09-07-19, 20:27

We know they are fighting on the ruins of the Death Star. So Endor is confirmed. I agree with the idea that the big E is somehow infused into the remains of the death start. This would tie in very well with the way he died.

The fleet we see is very interesting. They are Imperial 1 Class SDs by looking at the superstructure. So old and outdated. However if you notice the bottom of them they appear to have some sort of huge laser mounted into the hull starting about where the Hangar Bay would be on a standard Imp 1 and going to near the front of the bow. So I think they may be the Canon version of the legends Katana Fleet.

I don't share the hate that many people have for the last two films. But I also feel they were too disjointed. Many people seem to think Rey is a Mary Sue but really she is a pretty flawed character. She wants nothing to do with this. She just wants to know who the hell her parents are. And she seems to really straddle the line between the light and Dark side of the force. She didn't hesitate for one second during The Last Jedi when it came to diving into the Dark side. Even Luke in his ignorance was more hesitant about the dark side during ESB.

I am hopeful for this film given the trailer.

**MountainRaven** · 09-07-19, 20:47

Death Star ruins could be on Yavin IV, too. There was some sith f___ery on Yavin IV, historically, in old canon, as I recall.

One rumor I've heard is that time travel might be involved. And considering that:

A- Kylo Ren, the Knights of Ren, and Snoke were very strongly confirmed to not be Sith;
B- There are new, red-clad Stormtroopers confirmed for the movie called, "Sith Troopers";
C- The Sith Trooper armor looks an awful lot like Phase II Clone Trooper armor;
D- There's a black and grey (Imperial) TIE fighter called the TIE Dagger on the cover of the Rise of Skywalker Visual Dictionary, and;
E- Poorly written, Mack truck-sized plothole time travel plots are kind of JJ Abrams's schtick...

I'm afraid that it's looking very likely to me. And I'm going to be so annoyed if it's true.

**The Dumb Gun Collector** · 09-07-19, 21:55

Originally Posted by kwelz

We know they are fighting on the ruins of the Death Star. So Endor is confirmed. I agree with the idea that the big E is somehow infused into the remains of the death start. This would tie in very well with the way he died.

The fleet we see is very interesting. They are Imperial 1 Class SDs by looking at the superstructure. So old and outdated. However if you notice the bottom of them they appear to have some sort of huge laser mounted into the hull starting about where the Hangar Bay would be on a standard Imp 1 and going to near the front of the bow. So I think they may be the Canon version of the legends Katana Fleet.

I don't share the hate that many people have for the last two films. But I also feel they were too disjointed. Many people seem to think Rey is a Mary Sue but really she is a pretty flawed character. She wants nothing to do with this. She just wants to know who the hell her parents are. And she seems to really straddle the line between the light and Dark side of the force. She didn't hesitate for one second during The Last Jedi when it came to diving into the Dark side. Even Luke in his ignorance was more hesitant about the dark side during ESB.

I am hopeful for this film given the trailer.

I really haven't seen Rey as being bad at all. She is impulsive, and she did go to the dark side in that little force meditation bit...but Luke had similar issues and potentials. I think her actions show she is super good and sweet. Other than immediately calling poor Finn a thief (so racist).

I do suspect, as you do, that her origins are more interesting than Kylo knows (although what he said is probably technically true, from a certain point of view).

A buddy of mine just asked, what if that vision is of Rey's mother?

**SomeOtherGuy** · 09-07-19, 16:38

Theory I saw elsewhere was that Palpatine had imbued his own evil into the Death Star, and in this movie they journey to its remains for some reason and encounter Palpatine as force ghost.

Likewise, Anakin Skywalker was supposedly created by Palpatine's efforts, so I imagine Rey is either (a) descended from Anakin or (b) unrelated but also created by Palpatine.

Would love to see Jar Jar Binks' true nature revealed as a Sith overlord, more powerful than Palpatine and discreetly controlling him. This is totally obvious in details of The Phantom Menace if you want to look at the youtube videos with slow-motion and highlights. Jar Jar's lips are moving when Palpatine speaks.