Colt to Suspend Civilian sells of AR's

[Firefly]

Colt receivers are literally THE TDP standard.
And have been since 1961.

Please don’t make such blanket statements because a disgruntled former Colt employee wants YouTube views or because you disagree with some if their business practices.

Some manufacturers can come damn close but still won’t be THE mold for the modern AR15.

Plus for what is a rack grade part the SOCOM barrel has the perfect harmonics and should be the standard IMO for all of Colts carbines.

[SteyrAUG]

I have NO idea what they are doing. I do know they haven't been doing anything special for years other than riding on their reputation with little regard for anything else. Putting a prancing horse rollmark on a firearm doesn't make it anything more than a firearm with a prancing horse rollmark on it. The diehards would buy a turd with a horse rollmark on it. It's special... It's a Colt turd.

Hardly, the retro rifles have the most awesome rollmarks but they aren't really Colt so most here have zero interest. I wish the M16A1 and XM177 retros were up to Colt standards but they aren't, just like the FN semi autos seem to be nothing more than hobby rifles.

There are a handful of manufacturers such as BCM who can keep up with Colt and IMO I think KAC is probably superior but comes with a 3:1 price point.

[prepare]

Colt has a lot not going for it IMO.
1. They operate in an anti gun AO.
2. They have a union.
3. They out source everything.
4. Drama- bankruptcy, not selling to civilians.
5. Zero marketing- they provide very little information as to what's going on past, present, and future.
6. Knowing what I know about gov contracts, the end users don't come close to getting the best or optimal hardware. Life saving or life dependent hardware is no exception.

All that said, i'm not against Colt and nor do I think they are necessarily the best. What Colt does have is the largest collection (about 55 years worth now) of valuable data on what doesn't work, failure points, and finally what does work. No other brand has had as many duty weapons fielded and used across as broad of a spectrum of users, environments, and conditions from which to draw off of.

[georgeib]

^^Excellent.

[Steve Shannon]

Colt has a lot not going for it IMO.
1. They operate in an anti gun AO.
2. They have a union.
3. They out source everything.
4. Drama- bankruptcy, not selling to civilians.
5. Zero marketing- they provide very little information as to what's going on past, present, and future.
6. Knowing what I know about gov contracts, the end users don't come close to getting the best or optimal hardware. Life saving or life dependent hardware is no exception.

All that said, i'm not against Colt and nor do I think they are necessarily the best. What Colt does have is the largest collection (about 55 years worth now) of valuable data on what doesn't work, failure points, and finally what does work. No other brand has had as many duty weapons fielded and used across as broad of a spectrum of users, environments, and conditions from which to draw off of.

Well, Beretta might challenge that with over 500 years of production, or FN with the dominance of the FAL for a significant period of time by over 90 countries.


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[Eurodriver]

Well, Beretta might challenge that with over 500 years of production, or FN with the dominance of the FAL for a significant period of time by over 90 countries.


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But we’re taking about AR15s right now.

Beretta obviously can’t get their head out of their ass long enough to quit making PX4 Storms or pistols without G decockers as standard.

[Steve Shannon]

But we’re taking about AR15s right now.

Beretta obviously can’t get their head out of their ass long enough to quit making PX4 Storms or pistols without G decockers as standard.

I agree; Colt should have the largest wealth of information on what works and what doesn’t for the AR-15.
But the last paragraph in the post I quoted seemed to extend the scope well beyond the AR-15 family with some pretty general statements. That’s what I was responding to.


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[Diamondback]

Colt has a lot not going for it IMO.
1. They operate in an anti gun AO.
2. They have a union.
3. They out source everything.
4. Drama- bankruptcy, not selling to civilians.
5. Zero marketing- they provide very little information as to what's going on past, present, and future.
6. Knowing what I know about gov contracts, the end users don't come close to getting the best or optimal hardware. Life saving or life dependent hardware is no exception.

All that said, i'm not against Colt and nor do I think they are necessarily the best. What Colt does have is the largest collection (about 55 years worth now) of valuable data on what doesn't work, failure points, and finally what does work. No other brand has had as many duty weapons fielded and used across as broad of a spectrum of users, environments, and conditions from which to draw off of.

If somebody keels over and I get named the next Colt CEO, my first moves:

1. Get the hell out of Damnyankeestan. Offer relocation assistance for employees.
2. No more union shop--instead make shares a part of the compensation package so every employee is a part owner, and run things more like Toyota/Nissan/etc's auto plants in the South where everybody has a voice.
3. Reduce outsourcing to only those things it makes sense to outsource. Things like inviting John Thomas's Retro Arms Works to spearhead the "Retro AR" line, finding someone similar to do the Retro 1911's.
4. Streamline the catalog--focus each line on a handful of core models to be offered every year, and have another handful of slots for things to be rotated in and out of production every year. (Using 1911s for example, the "core line" would be one each Blued and Stainless in Government, Commander and Officers sizes, the Combat Commander and a "basic-bitch milspec" Government. WWI Repro, WWII Repro, nickeled .38 Super would be among the "rotators.")
5. Engage with the customer base at NRAAM, SHOT, etc for Market Research. Focus the "rotating production slots" on most demanded models, with the understanding that after one year in production every rotator model will be taking at least a year off.
6. Now that the AR is "open source," work with SAAMI, other manufacturers and the suppliers to establish a "TDP Compliance" working group governing industry standards to help weed out the Fly By Night shitbirds--loudly add "Meets or Exceeds TDP Standards" on participants' certified models, and run an ad campaign stressing "if it's not good enough for us to put in our servicemembers' rifles, it's not good enough for us to put in YOURS." Same with the 1911.

After that, adjust and fine tune as needed.

[hotrodder636]

Two thumbs up!

I don’t need to explain my opinion.

The United States Marine Corps says I don’t.

Anyways...I already have some 6920s but I do want a SOCOM upper or 2

[prepare]

I agree; Colt should have the largest wealth of information on what works and what doesn’t for the AR-15.
But the last paragraph in the post I quoted seemed to extend the scope well beyond the AR-15 family with some pretty general statements. That’s what I was responding to.


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My apologies. I was referring to the AR 15 only.