Impeachment

[Grand58742]

It got so bad that even a Democrat was saying "hearsay is better than direct evidence."

This truly is a mockery of our Constitution.

[Averageman]

When hearsay becomes acceptable to impeach a POTUS, you can bet it's a step closer to being accepted when someone accuses you.

[just a scout]

It got so bad that even a Democrat was saying "hearsay is better than direct evidence."

This truly is a mockery of our Constitution.

Quigley is going by Illinois standard. In IL, they changed the law to be able to use hearsay in a criminal conviction so they could convict Drew Peterson, who is smart enough they couldn’t get him any other way. The best was when they put a snitch in his cell, but the snitch forgot Peterson used him years before when he was a narc. Peterson ran rings around the cops and prosecutors until that.


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[Averageman]

Quigley and Illinois rules shouldn't be allowed or admissable in this case.
This is the equivalent of a group of sophomore girls at a slumber party all butt hurt because Jenny flirted with Marta's boyfriend behind the gym and after practice.
This is a Circus anyone who doesn't want to participate and ignores Schiffs BS suponea is a lot smarter than those that show up.

[just a scout]

Agreed and agreed.


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[mack7.62]

One thing I think we ought to watch: The disparity in leaders of the factions.

Adam Schiff is a very smart lawyer and former federal prosecutor.

Devin Nunes couldn't find his arse-hole with a GPS unit and a copy of Gray's Anatomy.

The Trump Party is taking a water pistol to a firefight. This disparity will make itself felt in the days to come.

What color is the sky in your world?

[armtx77]

Yes. The President can indeed bargain with foreign leaders.

But this isn't foreign aid, or even foreign policy. It's about Trump withholding congressionally approved appropriations illegally (yes, there is a statute that forbids it
in exchange for a personal political favor, namely, that Ukraine publicly announce an investigation of the Bidens, his political rivals. That has nothing to do with advancing US diplomacy, and everything to do with hijacking US foreign policy to harm the political fortunes of a domestic political rival.

And that, laddie-bucks, is precisely what Hamilton and George Washington warned us about, oh, 250 years ago.

All aide must be doled out, within the FISCAL YEAR. Tough to break the law considering this was July and indeed, the Extortion money, because Quid Quo Pro is too hard for people to understand, was actually released and no "investigation" took place...No Laws broken.

Please show me in the transcripts of the phone call or that of the Ukraine bureaucrats, where Trump.specifically asks for an investigation or he will hold up funding?

Trump was asking about the self admitted political tampering that the Ukrainian government gave to these Ukraine hacks, but never made its way to DC:

During the impeachment hearing today State Department officials George Kent and Bill Taylor both stated they never heard of any claims of Ukrainian political interference in the 2016 U.S. election. Additionally, both claimed to have no knowledge of any U.S. investigation that might overlap with Ukraine.

When pressed with specifically cited reports about DNC operatives engaging with Ukraine government officials to gather opposition research against candidate Donald Trump, both Mr. Kent and Ambassador Taylor denied any knowledge of the outlined reporting.

However, what everyone in the media –and on Capitol Hill– seems to forget is a letter in July, 2017, written by U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley to Dept. of Justice Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, specifically outlining 2016 election interference by Ukrainian government officials; and specifically asking for an U.S. DOJ investigation therein.

[mack7.62]

The thing that I guess we sometimes forget is that neither of the Biden's is President.

I've been convinced the President Trump was improperly using his office to gain dirt on a political rival.

Wrong election, this is about 2016, Trump would have to be worried that Bribem had a good chance of winning the primary and then the election and I don't think he is. Anyone with even half a brain should know that first Russia and now Ukraine and impeachment is all a smoke screen to hide what the illegal shit the Democrats and Deep State did during the run up to the 2016 election. A lot of arrows point to Ukraine as the source for Democrat false dirt on Trump and corruption and bribes to some well known political families. The truth must be hidden or discredited at all cost.

[Sry0fcr]

The thing that I guess we sometimes forget is that neither of the Biden's is President.

I've been convinced the President Trump was improperly using his office to gain dirt on a political rival. Okay, that is out of the way.

Should he be impeached for it? Nah, maybe censured and then impeached if he does it again.

But even that thought process is moot, the Senate would never convict him or censure him.

So let's move on and see what other train wreck is awaiting us.

I think this is a fair assessment, perhaps censure would have been an easier lift. But the situation begs the question whether or not we still have a functioning separate and coequal branch of government if congress members aren't even willing to accept what the administration has already admitted to doing and is fairly obvious to even the casual observer.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Well, Trump & Co. invented the term "alternative facts" to describe the lies the President was telling.

So perhaps we should label Mr. Schiff a "purveyor of alternative facts" instead of a "liar" -- the latter term is outdated.

Now that was a good one.

It is really humorous when people try to make it seem that Trump is the first and only politician that lies. Grow up. Uni-vibe is getting his last paperwork completed to join Sry0fcr on the ignore list. Don't join them on the dumb-ass parade.