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    Quote Originally Posted by flenna View Post
    The ComDems went from quid pro quo to bribery to corruption but end up with abuse of power. Which is not an impeachable offense. If it was we could clean house of our entire elected officials and start over.
    Something we are incredibly late in doing....again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armtx77 View Post
    Lindsay Graham is your Huckleberry, but he has ZERO plans to uncover anything.

    Keep in mind, the Senate will get to write its own rules and they can, but wont, subpoena anyone they want.
    McConnell said as much today I believe. Feckless, the lot of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    McConnell said as much today I believe. Feckless, the lot of them.
    Republicans in the Senate could burn the Democrats to ground. All it would cost them is 3rd degree burns.

    If the Republicans can get away with not calling a single witness, they absolutely will not call one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    Wow I never expected very much out of the IG, Durham and eventually Barr. It definitely seems like the IG is being taken to the woodshed by bar by Barr and Durham if the initial reports our true.


    Now you have tell me this is all Mitch McConnell trap with an assist from the ghost of Christmas McCain ...

    Sure, dude.
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...achment-first/

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    Perhaps a bit tin foil hattery and a bit of a conspiracy but;
    Where in the name of all that is good and right are the names of those who were diddling children with Jeffery Epstein?
    I'm well in to a quart of Russian Vodka right now, but damn it, before we vote on another thing in the House or Senate, before we hold another election, lets see who the kiddie diddlers are.
    Because if you can't control yourself enough to not rape some kids, I really don't think I want you at the helm of Government.

    Sorry, perhaps a bit off topic, but this is pissing me off.

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    double tap
    Last edited by Averageman; 12-11-19 at 10:57.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    McConnell said as much today I believe. Feckless, the lot of them.
    There is no way he’s going to risk his China connections being highlighted in the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Averageman View Post
    Perhaps a bit tin foil hattery and a bit of a conspiracy but;
    Where in the name of all that is good and right are the names of those who were diddling children with Jeffery Epstein?
    I'm well in to a quart of Russian Vodka right now, but damn it, before we vote on another thing in the House or Senate, before we hold another election, lets see who the kiddie diddlers are.
    Because if you can't control yourself enough to not rape some kids, I really don't think I want you at the helm of Government.

    Sorry, perhaps a bit off topic, but this is pissing me off.
    It’s not off topic. This shit is all related. There’s an evil in DC that eats people’s souls.


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    Quote Originally Posted by just a scout View Post
    It’s not off topic. This shit is all related. There’s an evil in DC that eats people’s souls.


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    Cross posting this from the National Security Surveillance thread, since it's relevant to the efforts to unseat the president.

    DoJ OIG Review of Four FISA Applications and Other Aspects of the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane Investigation
    Executive Summary Notes (as compiled by glocktogo)

    • Crossfire Hurricane (CH) opened on July 31, 2016, after Australian Ambassador Alexander Downer (AA) reported the bar conversation with Papadopoulos 2 ˝ months earlier. The Steele Dossier played no part in opening the investigation.

    • Individual cases were opened on Papadopoulos, Page, Manafort & Flynn in August, 2016.

    • The full CH investigation was authorized by Counterintelligence Division Asst. Director Bill Priestap, based on the AA’s report and the ongoing investigation into the DNC hack.

    • Priestap was the one who decided that the Trump Campaign would not be notified of the Russian intelligence threat.

    • Priestap was Strozk’s immediate supervisor. Strozk was involved in all the discussions regarding the opening of CH, and Strozk approved the 4 individual cases on Trump associates. These were based on which Trump associates had recently travelled to Russia or had other alleged ties to Russia.

    • Strozk was sent “abroad” to interview Ambassador Downer.

    • Confidential Human Sources (CHS) were identified who could provide human intelligence (HUMINT) and recordings of Trump associates.

    • CH sent multiple CHSs to record conversations with Papadopoulos and Page, without their knowledge.

    • In August, 2016, CH discussed getting a FISA surveillance warrant on Page, but they determined they didn’t have PC to warrant it.

    • CH received the Steele Dossier September 19, 2016 and used it as PC to obtain electronic surveillance authority from the FISC on September 21, 2016.

    • While Steele was a registered CHS for the FBI, the CH team downplayed or ignored information that cast doubt on the veracity of his information.

    • The Steele Dossier played a “central and essential role” in the CH team’s decision to seek the initial and three subsequent FISA warrants against Page.

    • While CH was kicked off by the barroom report on Papadopoulos, the FBI attorneys were against getting a FISA warrant on him, due to lack of corroborating information.

    • The CH team DID NOT give all the relevant information to senior leadership and they (James Baker, Andrew McCabe and James Comey) supported relying on the Steele Dossier to seek the FISA warrants on Page. This was over the objection of Deputy Asst. Attorney General Stuart Evans, who was concerned that they were using opposition research intended for a political campaign.

    • The warrants went forward despite there being no independent corroboration of the Steele Dossier.

    • Steele’s “reliability” was overstated by the CH team and did not meet FBI standards. His activities ultimately resulted in his being delisted as an approved FBI CHS, but CH continued to rely on him and his reporting thereafter.

    • CH omitted exculpatory recordings from CHSs surveilling Page and Papadopoulos, while including recordings of Page that supported their theory.

    • During all four FISA warrant applications against Page, CH never included the fact that Page was in fact an “operational contact” for the CIA, and had “candidly” provided information on Russian contacts during the period in question to the CIA. The FBI were aware of this fact as early as August, 2016, but a CH agent misrepresented that information as “dated” and “outside scope”. It was not.

    • The IG could not interview Comey, therefore they could not determine accurately whether Comey was aware of any of these issues.

    • The FBI officially closed Steele as an authorized CHS in November, 2016, but DoJ Associate Deputy Attorney General (AGAG) and Organized Crime and Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) Director Bruce Ohr subsequently met with the FBI 13 times, to pass along further Steele derived information he received from Fusion GPS (Steele’s client on the Dossier).

    • The CIA objected to the Steele Dossier being included in an Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) on Russian election interference as “internet rumor”, but Comey and McCabe sought to have it included, portions of which were.

    • The FBI sent agents abroad to shore up Steele’s credibility after he was closed as a CHS, but that information (both positive and negative) was never included in his file.

    • FBI interviews with Steele and his sources revealed “potentially serious problems” with his reports.

    • The FBI failed to corroborate ANY of the allegations against Page made by Steele.

    • The CH team ultimately had multiple instances of non-corroborated evidence, exculpatory evidence and lack of source credibility being omitted from the three FISA warrant renewals against Page. This is the foundation for the IG’s 17 documented instances where the CH team failed to follow FBI policy and procedure in regards to FISA warrant applications.

    • When Page made public statements in April & May, 2017 that he had assisted U.S. government agencies in the past, a request was made to confirm that Page was not a U.S. intelligence source. That Page WAS a CIA source was confirmed to an FBI Office of General Counsel attorney, who subsequently tampered with electronic communications to state that Page WAS NOT A SOURCE. This resulted in the 3rd FISA warrant reauthorization against Page being issued based on false information (hence the criminal referral to the Durham probe).

    • Ultimately, the 17 significant procedural errors listed were so “basic and fundamental”, it calls into question the FBI’s management and supervision of the FISA process.

    • Regarding ADAG Ohr, he initially met directly with McCabe to pass along Steele information he received directly from Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson. After the Ohr/McCabe meeting, Ohr met with members of CH 13 times to pass along information from Steele and/or Simpson.

    • Ohr failed to notify his DoJ superiors that he was meeting with Steele, Simpson, DoS contacts and then the FBI. Ohr acknowledged that had he notified his superiors, he likely would’ve been told to stop. Ohr was operating wholly outside the scope of his office in these matters.

    • Ohr was also taking Steele derived information to the DoJ Money Laundering and Asset Recovery Section (MLARS) regarding Manafort. Several of these meetings also included Strozk and Lisa Page.

    • While CHS’s and Undercover Employees (UCE’s) were used to surveil and record Trump Campaign members, there were no CHS’s or UCE’s placed within the campaign staff directly.

    TL;DR: The FBI relied on one alleged barroom conversation that wasn’t reported for several months, and a discredited source proffering unsubstantiated political opposition “research”, to spy on the American presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump. The FBI misled the FISA court four times in order to obtain electronic surveillance warrants on a Trump Campaign official, who was in actuality a CIA confidential human source. In every instance where there was ambiguity, exculpatory evidence, conflicting information or FBI policy or procedure that might call the basis for the investigation into question, the FBI made “mistakes” in favor of continuing to surveil an American political campaign. When a crucial component of the investigation’s source predication was de-certified for cause, a high ranking DoJ official outside the scope of his authority intervened to continue feeding that unreliable information into the investigation.

    I would contend that the IG report is narrow in scope and while it did not prove political bias in the official investigation, it fell far short of refuting it. Folks, this is just the first 20 pages of the Horowitz IG report, which is 476 pages long. It doesn’t even really get into Papadopoulos’ assertion that he originally heard that Russia might have dirt on Hillary from Joseph Mifsud (Page 262) on April 26, 2016, which Mifsud denied to the FBI. This is the same Mifsud who may or may not be either a Russian intelligence asset and/or a CIA intelligence asset respectively. All we know is that during all the hullabaloo which ensued, Mifsud was hiding out in an apartment paid for by “Link International”, right next to the American Embassy in Rome, allegedly at the behest of the head of Italian secret services (according to an interview with Mifsud).

    https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf
    Last edited by glocktogo; 12-12-19 at 18:35.
    What if this whole crusade's a charade?
    And behind it all there's a price to be paid
    For the blood which we dine
    Justified in the name of the holy and the divine…

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