Impeachment

[Diamondback]

It doesn't at all, but not the kind of shit Diamondback was putting forth.

And if you'd read my reply, you'd have seen me clearly state that my mockery is not directed at HIM, though disdain his deeds at NSC certainly merit, but at the Barracks Bunnies who insist that the uniform is an impenetrable shield against all criticism.

Maybe we'd be better off to just Ignore List each other.

ETA: Those who know me around the Net would notice I'm an Equal Opportunity Offender--I mock EVERYBODY, my friends, my foes, even my own 4-F'd fat ass. In fact if I DON'T mock you at some point, it could be construed as a sign of disrespect, because it means I don't think such a person is mature enough to take it like a rational adult.

[rero360]

I have an MSM, it’s my highest award but I don’t give it any credence really. I got it for being the acting HHB 1SG while deployed for the last 5.5 months of the deployment. I worked my butt off and got the unit caught up on a lot of stuff they were delinquent on. I value the ARCOMs I got from Iraq and Afghanistan more though.

Generally I don’t really put much stock in awards people have for the simple fact that like with my MSM, for certain things like deployments, you get an award based not on your performance but your rank/position held unless you did something really great or terrible.

[Todd.K]

Those guys, and other holders of the same or higher medals, IMVHO should be the only ones entitled to throw shit at him over that period of service.

Certainly not someone who has never served.

Ridiculous. I don't need to be an Admiral to disparage those involved with fat Leonard, or an Army truck driver to call those who wouldn't go out without armored trucks gutless pieces of shit.

The uniform and past actions are not, and should not be a shield for current behavior.

[Diamondback]

Ridiculous. I don't need to be an Admiral to disparage those involved with fat Leonard, or an Army truck driver to call those who wouldn't go out without armored trucks gutless pieces of shit.

The uniform and past actions are not, and should not be a shield for current behavior.

Like I said, look at Duke Cunningham's neck-snapping 180 from hero to scumbag. I didn't want to believe it at first because the man was one of my boyhood heroes as one of the last Aces, but once the evidence was in... or am I not qualified to criticize a Congressman who took bribes because I don't hold a seat myself?

[hotrodder636]

My experience in the Navy pretty well matches what is said below. Most rewards/honors were given based upon EOT rewards and rank, not accomplishments.

I have an MSM, it’s my highest award but I don’t give it any credence really. I got it for being the acting HHB 1SG while deployed for the last 5.5 months of the deployment. I worked my butt off and got the unit caught up on a lot of stuff they were delinquent on. I value the ARCOMs I got from Iraq and Afghanistan more though.

Generally I don’t really put much stock in awards people have for the simple fact that like with my MSM, for certain things like deployments, you get an award based not on your performance but your rank/position held unless you did something really great or terrible.

[26 Inf]

Maybe we'd be better off to just Ignore List each other.

I've tried that, it doesn't work....everytime Mooseknuckle posted I'd see in the thread 'Mooseknuckle made a post which you aren't seeing because he's on your ignore list' or words to that effect. To me thats kind of like Mom saying 'don't use a razor blade to slit the tape on the presents under the tree.......'

Personally, most of the time I regard you as acting like the kids in school who tried sooo, hard to fit in with the cool kids. Personally, I never thought about it.

[26 Inf]

The uniform and past actions are not, and should not be a shield for current behavior.

I guess you missed my point as much as Diamondback feels I missed his point. I, in no way shape or form, implied Vindmann should be immune. My point was disparage him for his current actions, don't mock the awards he received 20 years ago.

As far as this goes: 'Ridiculous. I don't need to be an Admiral to disparage those involved with fat Leonard, or an Army truck driver to call those who wouldn't go out without armored trucks gutless pieces of shit.' I got no problem calling those guys out if you were there and went out without armored vehicles, or did patrols outside the safe zone. But yeah, if you weren't there, or have never seen combat, or as some members here, never served, then yeah, I think you should hold your tongue on such pejoratives.

We'll just have to disagree.

[26 Inf]

Like I said, look at Duke Cunningham's neck-snapping 180 from hero to scumbag. I didn't want to believe it at first because the man was one of my boyhood heroes as one of the last Aces, but once the evidence was in... or am I not qualified to criticize a Congressman who took bribes because I don't hold a seat myself?

I honestly don't think you understood what I wrote:

why are you impugning his service during those times? You or I really have no call to do so, because you know, he was actually there and we weren't.

Just saying....stick to current events.

Current events meaning showing his ass to Congress and the entire free world that owns a TV or internet capable device.

I didn't think it was that hard.

[yoni]

I was with a friend last night, he never served in the military, but he is a high ranking member in the intelligence community of the USA.

He was so pissed off, he wanted Vindman, tried for treason and shot.

I have never met Vindman, but I have met many of his twin brothers. Ass wipes that like to rub rank in peoples face and act like jerks.

I came from a place where the only time we wore rank was for formal award and promotion ceremonies. The rest of the time no one wore rank. As a matter of fact we carried special identification cards that didn't give our name or rank, it just said in case of a terror attack we were in command. Didn't matter if a general was on site, we out ranked him. The card also told police they couldn't stop or question us.

So for me Vindman, is a small little man. That hides behind the uniform, that great people wore when they did their duty.

Yes, for the record when I left active service I outranked this fat turd.

[Averageman]

Throughout history there have been men placed in rather minor positions be manipulated to conspire against those in power.
When these coups they have participated in go sideways history shows us that when they are exposed they are usually executed.
This guy decided he knew better than the President how foreign policy should be executed. So it comes down to why would he feel this way and why would he take such action?
I'm pretty sure all of this information is available, it kind of comes down to who and what you believe.
If I was POTUS and learned what we all know about the Biden's and what had gone on in Ukraine, I don't think I would have hesitated to ask for help exposing Biden's corruption.
Should Trump have STFU and potentially turn over the helm to another corrupt administration?
As VP Biden and others within the Obama administration and democratic party conspired to defraud American tax payers and the government of Ukraine. Do we give this man the Presidency without asking how and why?
Vindman was an errand boy, set out by the swamp armed with a sword and a mission of treason.
The mission failed, he should be thankful he is still alive.