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    Quote Originally Posted by Averageman View Post
    I'm really anxious to hear more about this LTC. I don't think you get to become a "Whistle Blower" in the Military, there is a completely different process to go through to report something you might find as a crime.
    The more they try and say that he wasn't the original whistle blower, the more I'm beginning to believe that he very well might be.
    He's also got some what appear to be questionable connections along with a few questionable actions associated with his behavior.

    I'm not sure about legal stuff, but if you start off an investigation with a whistle blower who refuses to come forward and as Schiff has done build a case off of this, how is this right.
    Everything past kicking a door in without probable cause is forbidden fruit as evidence?
    Some info on the LTC, not confirmed yet but appears legit:

    https://twitter.com/Jim_Hickman13/st...77852680634368


    LTC (R) Jim Hickman
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    Oct 31

    ...had an issue relevant to his recent testimony. As stated earlier, Atlas Vision 12 was conducted at JMTC in the VBS2 (Virtual Battle Simulations 2) Classrooms for Simulation. Vindman, who was a Major at the time, was sitting in one of the classrooms talking to the US &...
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    LTC (R) Jim Hickman
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    ...Russian Soldiers, as well as the young Officers & GS Employees about America, Russia, & Obama. He was apologetic of American culture, laughed about Americans not being educated or worldly, & really talked up Obama & globalism to the point of uncomfortable.


    LTC (R) Jim Hickman
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    ...struck me as odd, & it was w/respect to American's falsely thinking they're exceptional, when he said, "He [Obama] is working on that now." And he said it w/a snide 'I know a secret' look on his face. I honestly don't know what it meant, it just sounded like an odd thing to...
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    LTC (R) Jim Hickman
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    ...say. Regardless, after hearing him bash America a few times in front of subordinates, Russians, & GS Employees, as well as, hearing an earful about globalization, Obama's plan, etc...I'd had enough. I tapped him on the shoulder & asked him to step outside. At that point I...
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    LTC (R) Jim Hickman
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    Oct 31

    ...verbally reprimanded him for his actions, & I'll leave it at that, so as not to be unprofessional myself. The bottom-line is LTC Vindman was a partisan Democrat at least as far back as 2012. So much so, junior officers & soldiers felt uncomfortable around him. This is..
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    LTC (R) Jim Hickman
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    ...not your professional, field-grade officer, who has the character & integrity to do the right thing. Do not let the uniform fool you...he is a political activist in uniform. I pray our nation will drop this hate, vitriol & division, & unite as our founding fathers intended!
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    This probably deserves it's own thread, but we have this one so here goes. I haven't posted this till now because even though the whistleblower's identity has pretty much been an open secret for a month now, no mainstream outlets have been willing to even hint at his identity. Well an article came out on October 30th that some MSM outlets are beginning to talk about. I believe next week or the week after at the latest, the identity of the "whistleblower" will become widely publicized.

    I should point out now that neither Schiff nor the whistleblower's attorneys will admit his identity, yet. Therefore a small chance remains that this isn't the person. When I say small, I mean REALLY small.

    I'm only posting it now because if you DuckDuckGo the name, you're going to find articles linking him to this scandal.

    Meet registered Democrat Eric Ciaramella, former Obama NSC official, holdover into the Trump Administration WH (Ukraine expert) until he was sent back to the CIA in mid-2017 for leaking detrimental information, and close associate to Sean Misko (Schiff staffer hired the same month the whistleblower complaint was filed), Susan Rice, former VP Joe Biden and you guessed it: John Brennan.



    I'm also going to ask you to do your own research and investigate the author of this expose' article. While he has legitimate mainstream credits, he also has past credits to WND, so caveat emptor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Sperry

    Here's the article:

    https://www.realclearinvestigations....er_120996.html

    I've posted the entirety of this article here in case you can't reach their site, but give them a click if you can because they deserve it. They also have links to documents and sources supporting their premise scattered throughout the article on their website.

    The Beltway's 'Whistleblower' Furor Obsesses Over One Name
    By Paul Sperry, RealClearInvestigations
    October 30, 2019, 4:21 PM Eastern

    For a town that leaks like a sieve, Washington has done an astonishingly effective job keeping from the American public the name of the anonymous “whistleblower" who triggered impeachment proceedings against President Trump — even though his identity is an open secret inside the Beltway.

    More than two months after the official filed his complaint, pretty much all that’s known publicly about him is that he is a CIA analyst who at one point was detailed to the White House and is now back working at the CIA.

    But the name of a government official fitting that description — Eric Ciaramella — has been raised privately in impeachment depositions, according to officials with direct knowledge of the proceedings, as well as in at least one open hearing held by a House committee not involved in the impeachment inquiry. Fearing their anonymous witness could be exposed, Democrats this week blocked Republicans from asking more questions about him and intend to redact his name from all deposition transcripts.

    RealClearInvestigations is disclosing the name because of the public’s interest in learning details of an effort to remove a sitting president from office. Further, the official's status as a “whistleblower” is complicated by his being a hearsay reporter of accusations against the president, one who has “some indicia of an arguable political bias … in favor of a rival political candidate" -- as the Intelligence Community Inspector General phrased it circumspectly in originally fielding his complaint.

    Federal documents reveal that the 33-year-old Ciaramella, a registered Democrat held over from the Obama White House, previously worked with former Vice President Joe Biden and former CIA Director John Brennan, a vocal critic of Trump who helped initiate the Russia “collusion” investigation of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election.

    Further, Ciaramella (pronounced char-a-MEL-ah) left his National Security Council posting in the White House’s West Wing in mid-2017 amid concerns about negative leaks to the media. He has since returned to CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

    “He was accused of working against Trump and leaking against Trump,” said a former NSC official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.

    Also, Ciaramella huddled for “guidance” with the staff of House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, including former colleagues also held over from the Obama era whom Schiff’s office had recently recruited from the NSC. Schiff is the lead prosecutor in the impeachment inquiry.

    And Ciaramella worked with a Democratic National Committee operative who dug up dirt on the Trump campaign during the 2016 election, inviting her into the White House for meetings, former White House colleagues said. The operative, Alexandra Chalupa, a Ukrainian-American who supported Hillary Clinton, led an effort to link the Republican campaign to the Russian government. “He knows her. He had her in the White House,” said one former co-worker, who requested anonymity to discuss the sensitive matter.

    Documents confirm the DNC opposition researcher attended at least one White House meeting with Ciaramella in November 2015. She visited the White House with a number of Ukrainian officials lobbying the Obama administration for aid for Ukraine.

    With Ciaramella’s name long under wraps, interest in the intelligence analyst is so high that a handful of former colleagues have compiled a roughly 40-page research dossier on him. A classified version of the document is circulating on Capitol Hill, and briefings have been conducted based on it. One briefed Republican has been planning to unmask the whistleblower in a speech on the House floor.

    On the Internet, meanwhile, Ciaramella's name for weeks has been bandied about on Twitter feeds and intelligence blogs as the suspected person who blew the whistle on the president. The mainstream media are also aware of his name.

    “Everyone knows who he is. CNN knows. The Washington Post knows. The New York Times knows. Congress knows. The White House knows. Even the president knows who he is,” said Fred Fleitz, a former CIA analyst and national security adviser to Trump, who has fielded dozens of calls from the media.

    Yet a rare hush has swept across the Potomac. The usually gossipy nation’s capital remains uncharacteristically — and curiously — mum, especially considering the magnitude of this story, only the fourth presidential impeachment inquiry in U.S. history.

    Trump supporters blame the conspiracy of silence on a “corrupt” and "biased” media trying to protect the whistleblower from justified scrutiny of his political motives. They also complain Democrats have falsely claimed that exposing his identity would violate whistleblower protections, even though the relevant statute provides limited, not blanket, anonymity – and doesn’t cover press disclosures. His Democrat attorneys, meanwhile, have warned that outing him would put him and his family “at risk of harm," although government security personnel have been assigned to protect him.

    “They’re hiding him,” Fleitz asserted. “They’re hiding him because of his political bias."

    A CIA officer specializing in Russia and Ukraine, Ciaramella was detailed over to the National Security Council from the agency in the summer of 2015, working under Susan Rice, President Obama’s national security adviser. He also worked closely with the former vice president.

    Federal records show that Biden’s office invited Ciaramella to an October 2016 state luncheon the vice president hosted for Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi. Other invited guests included Brennan, as well as then-FBI Director James Comey and then-National Intelligence Director James Clapper.

    Several U.S. officials told RealClearInvestigations that the invitation that was extended to Ciaramella, a relatively low-level GS-13 federal employee, was unusual and signaled he was politically connected inside the Obama White House.

    Former White House officials said Ciaramella worked on Ukrainian policy issues for Biden in 2015 and 2016, when the vice president was President Obama's "point man" for Ukraine. A Yale graduate, Ciaramella is said to speak Russian and Ukrainian, as well as Arabic. He had been assigned to the NSC by Brennan.

    He was held over into the Trump administration, and headed the Ukraine desk at the NSC, eventually transitioning into the West Wing, until June 2017.“He was moved over to the front office” to temporarily fill a vacancy, said a former White House official, where he “saw everything, read everything.”

    The official added that it soon became clear among NSC staff that Ciaramella opposed the new Republican president’s foreign policies. “My recollection of Eric is that he was very smart and very passionate, particularly about Ukraine and Russia. That was his thing – Ukraine,” he said. “He didn’t exactly hide his passion with respect to what he thought was the right thing to do with Ukraine and Russia, and his views were at odds with the president’s policies.”

    “So I wouldn’t be surprised if he was the whistleblower,” the official said.

    In May 2017, Ciaramella went “outside his chain of command,” according to a former NSC co-worker, to send an email alerting another agency that Trump happened to hold a meeting with Russian diplomats in the Oval Office the day after firing Comey, who led the Trump-Russia investigation. The email also noted that Russian President Vladimir Putin had phoned the president a week earlier.

    Contents of the email appear to have ended up in the media, which reported Trump boasted to the Russian officials about firing Comey, whom he allegedly called “crazy, a real nut job.” In effect, Ciaramella helped generate the “Putin fired Comey” narrative,
    according to the research dossier making the rounds in Congress, a copy of which was obtained by RealClearInvestigations.

    Ciaramella allegedly argued that “President Putin suggested that President Trump fire Comey,” the report said. “In the days after Comey’s firing, this presidential action was used to further political and media calls for the standup [sic] of the special counsel to investigate ‘Russia collusion.’ “

    In the end, Special Counsel Robert Mueller found no conspiracy between Trump and Putin. Ciaramella’s email was cited in a footnote in his report, which mentions only Ciaramella’s name, the date and the recipients “Kelly et al.” Former colleagues said the main recipient was then-Homeland Security Director John Kelly.

    Ciaramella left the Trump White House soon after Mueller was appointed. Attempts to reach Ciaramella were unsuccessful, although his father said in a phone interview from Hartford, where he is a bank executive, that he doubted his son was the whistleblower. “He didn’t have that kind of access to that kind of information,” Tony Ciaramella said. “He’s just a guy going to work every day.” The whistleblower's lawyers did not answer emails and phone calls seeking comment. CIA spokesman Luis Rossello declined comment, saying, “Anything on the whistleblower, we are referring to ODNI.” The Office of the Director of National Intelligence did not respond to requests for comment.

    In his complaint, the whistleblower charged that the president used “the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election.” Specifically, he cited a controversial July 25 phone call from the White House residence in which Trump asked Ukraine’s new president to help investigate the origins of the Russia “collusion” investigation the Obama administration initiated against his campaign, citing reports that “a lot of it started with Ukraine," where the former pro-Hillary Clinton regime in Kiev worked with Obama diplomats and Chalupa to try to “sabotage” Trump’s run for president.

    Later in the conversation, Trump also requested information about Biden and his son, since “Biden went around bragging that he” had fired the chief Ukrainian prosecutor at the time a Ukrainian oligarch, who gave Biden’s son a lucrative seat on the board of his energy conglomerate, was under investigation for corruption.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Intelligence Committee Chairman Schiff argued the whistleblower's complaint, though admittedly based on second-hand information, amounts to an impeachable offense, and they subsequently launched an impeachment inquiry that has largely been conducted in secret.

    The whistleblower filed his “urgent” report against Trump with the intelligence community inspector general on Aug. 12, but it was not publicly released until Sept. 26.

    Prior to filing, he had met with Schiff’s Democratic staff for “guidance." At first, the California lawmaker denied the contacts, but later admitted that his office did, in fact, meet with the whistleblower early on.

    Earlier this year, Schiff recruited two of Ciaramella’s closest allies at the NSC — both whom were also Obama holdovers -- to join his committee staff. He hired one, Sean Misko, in August — the same month the whistleblower complaint was filed.

    During closed-door depositions taken in the impeachment inquiry, Misko has been observed handing notes to the lead counsel for the impeachment inquiry, Daniel Goldman, as he asks questions of Trump administration witnesses,
    officials with direct knowledge of the proceedings told RealClearInvestigations.

    Republicans participating in the restricted inquiry hearings have been asking witnesses about Ciaramella and repeatedly injecting his name into the deposition record, angering Schiff and Democrats, who sources say are planning to scrub the references to Ciaramella from any transcripts of the hearings they may agree to release.

    “Their reaction tells you something,” said one official familiar with the inquiry.

    For example, sources said Ciaramella’s name was invoked by GOP committee members during the closed-door testimony of former NSC official Fiona Hill on Oct. 14. Ciaramella worked with Hill, another Obama holdover, in the West Wing.

    During Tuesday’s deposition of NSC official Alexander Vindman, Democrats shut down a line of inquiry by Republicans because they said it risked revealing the identity of the whistleblower. Republicans wanted to know with whom Vindman spoke within the administration about his concerns regarding Trump’s call to Ukraine. But Schiff instructed the witness not to answer the questions, which reportedly sparked a shouting match between Democrats and Republicans.

    Determined to keep the whistleblower's identity secret, Schiff recently announced it may not be necessary for him to testify even in closed session. Republicans argue that by hiding his identity, the public cannot assess his motives for striking out against the president. And they worry his political bias could color inquiry testimony and findings unless it’s exposed.

    Rep. Jim Jordan, the top Republican on the House Oversight Committee, asserted the American people have the right to know the person who is trying to bring down the president for whom 63 million voted.

    “It’s tough to determine someone’s credibility if you can’t put them under oath and ask them questions,” he said.

    Added Jordan: “The people want to know. I want to get to the truth."

    In an open House Natural Resources Committee hearing last week, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) seemingly out of left field asked a witness about “Eric Ciaramella of the Obama National Security Council,” in what the Washington press corps took as a bid to out the whistleblower. He later told a Dallas radio station he knew the whistleblower’s name. “A lot of us in Washington know who it is,” Gohmert said, adding he’s a “very staunch Democrat” who was “supposed to be a point person on Ukraine, during the time when Ukraine was its most corrupt, and he didn’t blow any whistles on their corruption."

    The Washington Post ran a news story over the weekend critical of Republicans for allegedly trying to “unmask” the whistleblower, for attempting to do the job journalists would normally do. Last week, the paper ran an op-ed by the whistleblower’s attorneys claiming he was no longer relevant to the inquiry and beseeching the public to let their client slip back into obscurity.

    For its part, the New York Times ran a story last month reporting details about the whistleblower’s background, but stopped short of fully identifying him, suggesting it didn’t know his politics or even his name. “Little else is known about him,” the paper claimed.

    On Thursday, Democrats plan a House vote on new impeachment-inquiry rules that would give Republicans for the first time the ability to call their own witnesses. Only, their requests must first be approved by the Democrats. So there is a good chance the whistleblower, perhaps the most important witness of all, will remain protected from critical examination.

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    TL;DR: Ciaramella is the ONLY person Washington insiders believe could be the "whistleblower". At this point, the only reason for Schiff to deny Ciaramella is the whistleblower and attempt to delete his role in the inquiry, is because Ciaramella isn't just some never-Trumper. He was and likely still is directly and intimately involved with the very people that IG Horowitz, Special Prosecutor John Durham and AG Barr are investigating for criminal acts.

    This is about to get VERY interesting.
    What if this whole crusade's a charade?
    And behind it all there's a price to be paid
    For the blood which we dine
    Justified in the name of the holy and the divine…

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    There is a reason Shifty Schiff has been holding hearings behind closed doors and diligently guarding the "whistleblower", or as I like to say "DNC plant". If it comes out the above is true then I will in no way be surprised.
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    This entire process is tax payer funded opposition research on Trump and a continuation of the operation to discredit or remove him that failed with the "Special Counsel." These weasels need to be gone and for good.

    Here is all we need to know.. Oh, that and the douche who worked with his pals on shit for brains staff is a 33 year old Oh-Zero lover who has no business on the NSC.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-conten...ied09.2019.pdf

    How long are we going to take this crap? I'd say an armed march by the people on DC is long overdue. Send a flipping message that will resonate for a century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flenna View Post
    There is a reason Shifty Schiff has been holding hearings behind closed doors and diligently guarding the "whistleblower", or as I like to say "DNC plant". If it comes out the above is true then I will in no way be surprised.
    I'm rather surprised that you become a "Whistle Blower" because you disagree with the Presidents foreign policy and then take steps to undermine him.
    This is a partisan attack and Schiff and I would imagine Brennan took steps to get these folks in the right place at the right time as a second safety net in case Mueller's testimony went sideways on them.
    It certainly appears that the last Administration took a number of elaborate steps to punish Trump for beating Hillary. The corruption of the Clinton/Obama?Comey/Brennan team needs to be punished as an example that even in the 21st Century a noose and a gallows will be used for traitors against our Country.
    A year ago I would have said "No one will be punished." now, I'am just not sure that it can be avoided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Averageman View Post
    I'm rather surprised that you become a "Whistle Blower" because you disagree with the Presidents foreign policy and then take steps to undermine him.
    This is a partisan attack and Schiff and I would imagine Brennan took steps to get these folks in the right place at the right time as a second safety net in case Mueller's testimony went sideways on them.
    It certainly appears that the last Administration took a number of elaborate steps to punish Trump for beating Hillary. The corruption of the Clinton/Obama?Comey/Brennan team needs to be punished as an example that even in the 21st Century a noose and a gallows will be used for traitors against our Country.
    A year ago I would have said "No one will be punished." now, I'am just not sure that it can be avoided.
    If they go unpunished for their crimes, then the Republic is lost. We'll be able to limp along as a corrupted democracy for quite a while, but it will signal the beginning of the end for our country as we know it.
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    What if this whole crusade's a charade?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    We'll be able to limp along as a corrupted democracy for quite a while, but it will signal the beginning of the end for our country as we know it.
    Oh, we're pretty well into the beginning of the end. People can't even agree on the same set of facts and literally see political opponents as enemy combatants. When SHTF, I dunno who to shoot at.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaykayyy
    And to the guys whining about spending more on training, and relying less on the hardware, you just sound like your [sic] trying to make yourself feel superior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sry0fcr View Post
    Oh, we're pretty well into the beginning of the end. People can't even agree on the same set of facts and literally see political opponents as enemy combatants. When SHTF, I dunno who to shoot at.
    It has gotten pretty bad. The media is fully in on it too. Like ABC killing the Epstein story for THREE YEARS, because rich and powerful pedophiles silenced them and they took it.

    What if this whole crusade's a charade?
    And behind it all there's a price to be paid
    For the blood which we dine
    Justified in the name of the holy and the divine…

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    The incredible part of that video is that she's pissed "she" missed the scoop not that he was allowed to continue for another three years.

    Tells you all you need to know about the people working in the news.

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    Sondland now walking back his testimony....

    “Pressure” isn’t just a Billy Joel song...
    The Second Amendment ACKNOWLEDGES our right to own and bear arms that are in common use that can be used for lawful purposes. The arms can be restricted ONLY if subject to historical analogue from the founding era or is dangerous (unsafe) AND unusual.

    It's that simple.

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