Impeachment

[C-grunt]

Sondland now walking back his testimony....

“Pressure” isn’t just a Billy Joel song...

He hasn't really brought any new info though. He now says he remembers talking with a Ukraine official about the meeting being withheld do to concerns of corruption in general. I think that's been public knowledge this whole time.

[Sry0fcr]

He hasn't really brought any new info though. He now says he remembers talking with a Ukraine official about the meeting being withheld do to concerns of corruption in general. I think that's been public knowledge this whole time.

I suppose it's not new info, just another confirmation that the WH was lying from day 1. New talking points will be that there's nothing wrong with quid pro quo & that it's not illegal. Mick apparently jumped the gun by a few weeks. I wonder if he'll walk back his walk back.

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[OH58D]

If the US is going to provide taxpayer money to a country with corruption issues, and our European allies are not going to provide any money themselves, I'd dangle out money for reform as well. If the former VP and his worthless kid were part of that corruption, I'd ask questions about that too.

The problem is the President of the United States is being subverted and maligned at every turn, trying to destroy him, for things that are normal operating procedure when dealing with some of these foreign dung heaps. American Presidents have always leaned on other leaders since the beginning, but Trump has to operate under a different standard based on a false Leftist narrative. Aggressive hands-on diplomacy, bribery, deal-making, threats and favors are all part of the geopolitical game; more so if you're a big time player like the U.S.

Does anyone remember that A##hole President who sent pallets of US currency to Iran? Kind of seedy behavior, unless you're a lefty democrat President. For me, this is a political coups d'etat by leftist domestic enemies on a duly elected President.

[C-grunt]

I suppose it's not new info, just another confirmation that the WH was lying from day 1. New talking points will be that there's nothing wrong with quid pro quo & that it's not illegal. Mick apparently jumped the gun by a few weeks. I wonder if he'll walk back his walk back.

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But he has no knowledge of a quid pro quo. He says he FELT that the money was hung up on them giving the statements but no one actually told hom that.

Trump team had said from day one that they wanted to make sure the new regime in the Ukraine was actually going to follow through on their anti corruption platform.

That's very different than telling Ukraine they aren't getting military and monetary aide unless they investigate Biden's dealings, like the Democrats are saying. And so far anyone with actual direct knowledge, including the Ukrainians, have denied that.

[Sry0fcr]

But he has no knowledge of a quid pro quo. He says he FELT that the money was hung up on them giving the statements but no one actually told hom that.

Trump team had said from day one that they wanted to make sure the new regime in the Ukraine was actually going to follow through on their anti corruption platform.

That's very different than telling Ukraine they aren't getting military and monetary aide unless they investigate Biden's dealings, like the Democrats are saying. And so far anyone with actual direct knowledge, including the Ukrainians, have denied that.

Seems that most of the DOS corps understood that "corruption" specifically meant Burrisma & Crowdstrike. I suppose we'll see but the administration's not been consistent. Trump himself is already positioning himself via tweet.

Republican Senators are saying that President Trump may have done a quid pro quo, but it doesn’t matter, there is nothing wrong with that, it is not an impeachable event.

The bad part is that I agree with him, it's not an impeachable event, maybe even routine... unless it's intended to handicap a political rival. Then we're into the dangerous waters of abuse of power/office. :/

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[NWPilgrim]

What the hell us wrong with asking and even incentivizing foreign leaders to investigate US officials engaged in corrupt practices in their country?! How is this bad? I have heard no allegations that Trump demanded he find him guilty outright. A leader damn well ought to be rooting out corruption in his administration or past ones.

Biden bragging about successfully getting a foreign prosecutor fired seems definitely bad. Not asking to have it investigated but demanding a specific outcome that favors his son.

[flenna]

If the US is going to provide taxpayer money to a country with corruption issues, and our European allies are not going to provide any money themselves, I'd dangle out money for reform as well. If the former VP and his worthless kid were part of that corruption, I'd ask questions about that too.

The problem is the President of the United States is being subverted and maligned at every turn, trying to destroy him, for things that are normal operating procedure when dealing with some of these foreign dung heaps. American Presidents have always leaned on other leaders since the beginning, but Trump has to operate under a different standard based on a false Leftist narrative. Aggressive hands-on diplomacy, bribery, deal-making, threats and favors are all part of the geopolitical game; more so if you're a big time player like the U.S.

Does anyone remember that A##hole President who sent pallets of US currency to Iran? Kind of seedy behavior, unless you're a lefty democrat President. For me, this is a political coups d'etat by leftist domestic enemies on a duly elected President.

QFT. Exactly.

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Wrong thread.

[glocktogo]

If the US is going to provide taxpayer money to a country with corruption issues, and our European allies are not going to provide any money themselves, I'd dangle out money for reform as well. If the former VP and his worthless kid were part of that corruption, I'd ask questions about that too.

The problem is the President of the United States is being subverted and maligned at every turn, trying to destroy him, for things that are normal operating procedure when dealing with some of these foreign dung heaps. American Presidents have always leaned on other leaders since the beginning, but Trump has to operate under a different standard based on a false Leftist narrative. Aggressive hands-on diplomacy, bribery, deal-making, threats and favors are all part of the geopolitical game; more so if you're a big time player like the U.S.

Does anyone remember that A##hole President who sent pallets of US currency to Iran? Kind of seedy behavior, unless you're a lefty democrat President. For me, this is a political coups d'etat by leftist domestic enemies on a duly elected President.

You’re not implying that elections have consequences are you?

That’s apparently a one way street for the Dems.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

What the hell us wrong with asking and even incentivizing foreign leaders to investigate US officials engaged in corrupt practices in their country?! How is this bad? I have heard no allegations that Trump demanded he find him guilty outright. A leader damn well ought to be rooting out corruption in his administration or past ones.

Biden bragging about successfully getting a foreign prosecutor fired seems definitely bad. Not asking to have it investigated but demanding a specific outcome that favors his son.

The MSM and Dems don't want to get anywhere near the Bidens.

Here is the one question that should be asked about Hunter and Burisma--- What work product- reports, presentations, meetings- did Hunter provide to Burisma for his compensation. Show me the emails where he contributed to the company. How many meetings did he attend. It's a public company (albeit in Ukraine) so there should be minutes from the board meetings. Show me what an $80k/month wunderkind does.

That and I'm tired of hearing that the Bidens have been investigated and cleared- by whom exactly. Whenever I see that cited, it just leads to other articles claiming their innocence.

When it comes to the Biden's, isn't it the seriousness of the charge, rather than the validity of the evidence that compels us to investigate?

And all I ever see in the MSM is that Trump wanted "dirt' on the Bidens. As if investigating what Hunter did, which even raised issues in the Obama WHite House, doesn't scream scam?

There is far more evidence of Hunter colluding and conspiring to compromise his dad than there ever was on Trump in the Dossier.