Impeachment

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Depends on how you see our Republic's role in the world. Overall, I believe he has hurt our standing in the world, I'm sure there are many who say 'who cares?'

Standing? What is this the Miss World Competition? The left always complains about our 'standing' in the world. If you mean NATO- about time they bucked up and started thinking about defending themselves. The Kurds- join the long list of tribal people that we have abandoned; I really don't know why people trust us at all in war zones, we are the world's worst buddy fudger. Obama is out there waving his Islam finger, bowing to Saudi's, draws lines in sand- which is lucky because they are easy to erase. He begs Putin to play nice so that he can sell us and central Europe out after an election. Standing? At least we are standing and not on our knees. And if you mean global warming treaties... sweat baby Jesus.

The tax cuts, which juiced the economy for what, a quarter, came at the expense of increased deficit.

Up until they come up with a system that Dem supporters are responsible for their pols spending, but we aren't, we might as well go the well and drink too. It is political suicide for us to let the dems to use our grandkids money to bribe the least useful people. The GOP has been getting worse and worse on spending and the deficit and have finally given up. Good. On the economy in general. No one seems to remember that our economy was supposed to hit a recession in 2017, or that people screamed that Trump would implode the economy. And, and, and...... wait for it..... still waiting..... which leads to the next point

The tariff's have hurt agriculture, farmers are having a hard time deciding what crop to go with because they don't know what will sell...

Yes, this sucks, but the tax cuts gave a boost to the economy overall so that Trump could fight "Cold War II" with China with these tariffs. If the Commie-cuck dems don't take control next year and China is faced with another 4 years of brutal (in an asymmetrical impact way that very few people realize) tariffs and a mouthy Hong Kong, Trump will have made China join the world economy and security structure under more mutually beneficial terms. If the tariffs and the deficit are the cost of that win, it will be the cheapest global war win in the history of man kind. Trump wins by clipping coupons and not running up big tabs- just like he did in his campaign.

The economy, continues to do well, a trend that began in 2009. Unemployment was dropping before he took office, and has continued to drop. I don't think either President Obama or President Trump had much to do with this, aside from Obama's continuation of the 'stimulus' which wasn't really an issue on which he had much choice.

Obama started in the biggest hole in living memory of 95% or people. It would be hard not to have 8 years of growth from that, and the economy almost tanked a couple of times- ALL WHILE THE FED KEPT RATES AT ABOUT ZERO. Trump gets in and hmmm, let's start raising rates- and then the issue with the economy isn't really our issue- we are leading the world- all of them are sucking ass and dragging us down.

So, other than the fact he was better than the alternative, I don't see a reason to turn handsprings.

The man is a buffoon. I agree, the Dems have been out to get him since day one, and he keeps providing them more ammunition. As a result, I'm certain that we will have a Dem in the WH in 2021. I hope you are able to throw this prediction in my face, but that is what I see happening.

Trump drives me crazy. He steps on his dick more times than a guy with Elephantitus of the junk. That his detractors scream about how he is destroying the norms- as they go way past any norms when it comes to him is almost comical.

The best of all is that he has emboldened the left to drop the masks and reveal who they really are: Collectivists that don't believe in individual rights and would take everything- including your life- if you stand in their way.

I don't know why he is still around. You'd think that some GOPer would have figured out a way to titrate back his over-cooking it and balance out the spirited defense of traditional value with less drama.

This is all Mitt Romney's fault. If that dude had actually defended himself- and us by extension- we wouldn't have needed to go nuclear and full Code Orange. But the GOP, looking at demographics and pressured by the left woke-scold, shaming and political correctness just wanted to roll over and take scraps.

[Grand58742]

Depends on how you see our Republic's role in the world. Overall, I believe he has hurt our standing in the world, I'm sure there are many who say 'who cares?'

The tax cuts, which juiced the economy for what, a quarter, came at the expense of increased deficit.

The tariff's have hurt agriculture, farmers are having a hard time deciding what crop to go with because they don't know what will sell...

The economy, continues to do well, a trend that began in 2009. Unemployment was dropping before he took office, and has continued to drop. I don't think either President Obama or President Trump had much to do with this, aside from Obama's continuation of the 'stimulus' which wasn't really an issue on which he had much choice.

So, other than the fact he was better than the alternative, I don't see a reason to turn handsprings.

The man is a buffoon. I agree, the Dems have been out to get him since day one, and he keeps providing them more ammunition. As a result, I'm certain that we will have a Dem in the WH in 2021. I hope you are able to throw this prediction in my face, but that is what I see happening.

Yeah, I will say "who cares." Because you and I both know when a natural disaster in the world occurs or someone needs military intervention, who are they going to turn to first? Don't even claim Russia or China because you and I both know we're still the big kids on the block when it comes to that kind of thing. I will say this, I really don't want any more military adventurism in places that suck slightly less than Hell.

Tax cuts that had short term gains, but long term relief especially in the corporate sector. Of course, if you prefer the alternative of MORE taxes, I'm pretty sure we'll agree to disagree. But, you might get your wish once a Democrat gets in office. Problem is, especially with the Bernie-Warren crowd is taxing the "rich" certainly is going to be subjective. And all the sudden, your comfortable middle class income bracket is looking might rich to politicians that can't control a budget.

He has posted the lowest unemployment in over 50 years. He certainly can toot his own horn on that one. Just like each and every President has since it became a thing.

As for the tariffs, it does seem like our trading "partners" around the world are suddenly coming to the table with new, more fair trade deals. Why is it we have to be the world's bitch when it comes to uneven trade? Why can't trade be fair across the board? Why is it perfectly fine for China, Japan, the EU, etc to slap high tariffs on our goods in order to protect their industries? We can't do the same? Do you like being the world's bitch when it comes to allowing other nations to bend us over the trade barrel?

Yeah, he is a straight buffoon. But you know what? He has exposed the left and the right for the hypocritical pieces of garbage they truly are. By design or by accident, he has each of them showing their true colors.

Everyone always said we needed a President that wasn't beholden to either party. Well, we got one. And you know what? I'm perfectly happy with him exposing the massive corruption, hypocrisy and politicians that care more about getting reelected than what they can do for their constituents.

[C-grunt]

So now we know the "whistleblower" is making money off of this ordeal. His Go Fund Me is at 277k now.

[Whiskey_Bravo]

So now we know the "whistleblower" is making money off of this ordeal. His Go Fund Me is at 277k now.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/bombs...eport-suggests

[Diamondback]

So now we know the "whistleblower" is making money off of this ordeal. His Go Fund Me is at 277k now.

Sweet! Sounds like a nice fat target for Asset Forfeiture as POCA once Barr gets the case... and while he's at it, go after the donors too for Bribery, Subornation of Perjury, whatever else fits.

Given the average of three Federal felonies a day, once these people are on the radar it shouldn't be too hard to find something... they wanna play by Beria Rules, give 'em Beria Rules, good and hard.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Ask and ye shall receive.

If any of you have been reading my rantings for the past 2 1/2 years, know I hold pretty strong viewpoints on this. I've written about the Ukrainian deal LONG before this all blew up late last week. The entire sordid mess is just too much for me to detail right now. I've done so much research that I can't even untangle all the interconnecting webs. Here's as much as I can remember for now:

2014 FBI investigated Manafort's business dealings in Ukraine. They closed the investigation with no charges.

2014 VP Biden's son, Hunter Biden is kicked out of the Navy for cocaine use. (He subsequently cheats on his wife with his deceased brother's widow, as well as blowing all his family's money on "prostitutes, drugs, alcohol and strippers" and putting them heavily in debt. His wife ultimately divorced him for all this)

April, 2014 Hunter was appointed to the Burisma Holdings (Ukrainian energy company) board of directors. It's a lucrative gig for him ($50K per month) and his American firm, Rosemont Seneca, LLC ($166K per month).

Early 2015 VP Biden is appointed to head an anti-corruption initiative in Ukraine.

2015 VP Biden and numerous other Obama Administration officials begin "working" with Ukrainian counterparts on said initiative.

Jan, 2016 Ukrainian officials are "called to Washington" to "coordinate anti-corruption efforts". That meeting resulted in US officials asking the Ukraine anti-corruption unit (NABU) to re-open the Manafort case and "drop the Burisma Holdings investigation and let the FBI handle it".

Jan-Mar 2016, Ukrainian officials refuse to drop the Burisma Holdings case and are proceeding.

Mar 2016 Joe Biden threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to withhold $1Bn in guaranteed US loans to Ukraine, unless they fire Chief Prosecutor Shokin (the prosecutor leading the Burisma Holdings investigation).

March 2016 Ukraine fires Shokin, the Burisma Holdings case is transferred to NABU and closed.

May 19, 2016 Manafort is tapped to become the campaign manager for Trump.

May 29, 2016 NABU leaks select excerpts from a "black ledger" which was known to the FBI all the way back in 2014, detailing Manafort's dealings in Ukraine. (A Ukrainian court would later determine that said leak was "an illegal attempt to influence the U.S. election. A member of Ukraine’s parliament also released a recording of a NABU official saying the agency released the ledger to help Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.)


Now I'm not even scratching the surface with all the information. Allegedly VP Biden met with someone involved with Burisma Holdings BEFORE Hunter was appointed to the board. The UK was investigating Burisma Holdings and had gone so far as to freeze $23M in their assets. However, after Hunter was appointed, NABU and Ukraine refused to cooperate with the UK and a judge ultimately ruled they had to unfreeze the $23M. Nothing has ever come of any investigation into Burisma Holding or Hunter's involvement. None of the Obama Administration officials have been willing to comment on the matter and I'm not aware of any of them being officially interviewed on the matter.

There are other reports of direct contact by the DNC with Ukrainian officials AFTER the DNC was co-opted by the Hillary Campaign, and that Bruce Ohr's wife Nellie was somehow involved, but those reports haven't been corroborated.

My investigative theory is this: Select members of the Obama Administration colluded with the Clinton Campaign (which had taken over the DNC and was running their finances due to near insolvency) and ran a "Parallel Construction" op on known Trump Associates. Utilizing the full might of the U.S. intelligence system, they were able to identify any and all potential weak points of Trump's associates, which they proceeded to exploit to any extent possible. That's why the 302's are so crucial to the investigation into the investigators. They should give starting points and allow Horowitz and Durham to focus in on the activities of people like Strozk and Ohr. EDIT: This has a lot to do with Adm. Mike Rogers defying his superiors and blowing the whistle on domestic spy ops against US persons. It's also why Clapper wanted Adm. Rogers fired. I truly believe Obama wasn't involved in this BS, because he refused to fire Adm. Rogers and has never spent time on the PR circuit spewing the same talking points Brennan, Clapper, Hillary and others were on this topic. I don't believe he wanted anything to do with their mess.

At the same time, it's also evident that we now know why Biden kept dipping a toe into the campaign waters in 2016, but never committed. Through people like Brennan, Clapper, Rice, Lynch, and so on, Hillary had Kompromat on Biden, in the form of his involvement in getting his cokehead son Hunter a sweet Ukrainian gig, then subsequently getting any investigation into his dealings shut down.

You will not read or hear this information from any mainstream media outlet. Their reporting on these matters is superficial at best. Some outlets are intentionally obfuscating and downplaying much of Biden's involvement. The plot of this story is so convoluted that it takes real determination to even follow half of it.

For some reason the website took me to this page today. I thought it was a pretty good background now that we like two months into this.

The Bidens are dirty. Maybe not criminally- at least not yet- but definately closer to an ‘abuse of power’ than Trump.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Catchy music for the 5 min breaks... really raises the tension. Almost 'House of Cards' sounding....

[Averageman]

Watching the hearing, my take;
If you're and Ambassador and you don't know what's going on, call the Boss. Your ability to do your job is dependent upon facts, office gossip isn't going to cut it.
If you suddenly find your Boss isn't communicating with you, but communicating around you, see above, if you don't like the answer, ask yourself why?
If the two above are happening, you're not on the team, but you haven't been fired yet. Go ahead and start packing.

These hearings having nothing to do with fact only opinion.
If you have a source that heard from his source who overheard an aide say, really? This is admissible?
If you hear a part of a conversation during dinner, that one of the other companions at your table is having, do you have knowledge? Or is this conjecture?
If you work for the .gov and the President is speaking on the phone, you can hear it, but are not authorized or cleared for the call, but listen in anyway, haven't you just committed a security breach? If you don't report a inadvertent security breech, and then later use this information (for any reason) haven't you just admitted to a felony?

Taylor is a feckless little bitch and is gonna fold under cross examination.

[Det-Sog]

It's a race to get this done before the I.G. report comes out. It's nothing more than a coup to remove a lawfully elected administration. What a joke. I will not be watching. Nothing to see here... These COMMUNISTS have been trying to remove Trump since the night of the election.

Meanwhile... Levin is on FIRE.

https://youtu.be/ZEsK__qem9g

[flenna]

Well, Shifty Schiff said he has no idea who the whistleblower is .