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    Quote Originally Posted by Uni-Vibe View Post
    What's interesting about the Deep State is this:

    USA is over 200 years old. In that time, the Deep State has never been observed. Scholars, lawyers, politicians, observers from de Tocqueville on forward, have never noticed it.

    Until, that is, Steven Bannon and Breitbart had a revelation worthy of John the Baptist, and made us aware. Suddenly it was smashed into our consciousness that a vast conspiratorial apparatus pulled the levers of American domestic and foreigh politics and policy.

    Amplified by Mr. Hannity's radio program, suddenly the phrsase "deep state" were on the lips of half the population. It was spoken in the merest whispers by liberal elites. It was bandied about water coolers at work. It was shouted into conservative microphones by the Limbaughs and the Hannitys.

    I would like to suggest that it doesn't exist, except in the imaginations of the conspiratorially-minded; but who am I to contest America's Anchorman?
    Another question for you UV. Just trying to better understand where you are coming from. What is your experience working for the United States government domestically and or overseas?

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    "Gordon Sondland, welcome to the resistance"
    Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Oregon)

    Doesn't sound even a little "deep state" does it...

    It's actually the end of Rep. Blumenauer's extortion and witness intimidation boycott campaign. (Something the Dems say they care super extra deeply about, like foriegn election interference...)

    I have not seen this story in the national news yet, my guess is if it does it will only be on Fox news.

    https://www.wweek.com/news/2019/11/2...he-resistance/

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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post



    To be technically correct, Ukraine got their phone call and money while never announcing an investigation, but not the meeting.


    Did Trump not meet with Zelensky in September? But maybe I am confused and they were wanting another meeting of some sort.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/world/unit...eeting-ukraine
    Whiskey

    May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskey_Bravo View Post
    Did Trump not meet with Zelensky in September? But maybe I am confused and they were wanting another meeting of some sort.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/world/unit...eeting-ukraine
    Ukraine (and our career professionals™) wanted a meeting prior to the funds being released. They tried to get it while the money was still on hold and that didn't happen.
    What if this whole crusade's a charade?
    And behind it all there's a price to be paid
    For the blood which we dine
    Justified in the name of the holy and the divine…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskey_Bravo View Post
    Do we? I mean, Trump said he wanted nothing and wanted no QPQ. Sondland admitted this yesterday. Ukraine got their phone call, their meeting, and their money and never announced an investigation. If that is QPQ it's the worst QPQ ever.

    Are we going to impeach a sitting president because someone "presumed" the president wanted something?
    Serious question, did any of you read my post: All that aside, really? That act didn't reach impeachment levels

    Look at President Trump's back trail, heck he even wrote a book The Art of the Deal.'
    Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President... - Theodore Roosevelt, Lincoln and Free Speech, Metropolitan Magazine, Volume 47, Number 6, May 1918.

    Every Communist must grasp the truth. Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party Mao Zedong, 6 November, 1938 - speech to the Communist Patry of China's sixth Central Committee

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    Quote Originally Posted by armtx77 View Post
    Outlander is woke as hell. Hard to argue much of that.
    I'm waiting to hear about his nuclear family.
    Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President... - Theodore Roosevelt, Lincoln and Free Speech, Metropolitan Magazine, Volume 47, Number 6, May 1918.

    Every Communist must grasp the truth. Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party Mao Zedong, 6 November, 1938 - speech to the Communist Patry of China's sixth Central Committee

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    Here, have some food for thought about Wilsonian Fascism and what he called the Administrative State and we now call the Deep State:
    https://www.heritage.org/political-p...-means-limited
    https://mises.org/library/wilsoniani...acy-wont-die-0
    https://federalistforum.com/the-admi...ed-government/
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    Quote Originally Posted by just a scout View Post
    Clinton wasn’t impeached for ****ing an intern, he was impeached for perjury, witness tampering and 9 other real criminal charges.

    Enough of trying to make Trump out to be the devil incarnate because he wanted an investigation into corruption.
    True, how long did Starr work it?

    Who said he is the devil incarnate. I believe there was an expectation of QPQ. Is it common in politics? Probably. Should it be? I don't think so. Is it a high crime /misdemeanor? In this instance, no.

    Everybody gets all butt hurt because I don't choose to embrace a man I wouldn't want as a friend, or near my daughters, to my bosom as the savior of America. He wasn't, he was just better than Hillary, maybe. And, I'm going to hold my nose and vote for him again. Too much is at stake not to. But I don't have to like it.
    Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President... - Theodore Roosevelt, Lincoln and Free Speech, Metropolitan Magazine, Volume 47, Number 6, May 1918.

    Every Communist must grasp the truth. Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party Mao Zedong, 6 November, 1938 - speech to the Communist Patry of China's sixth Central Committee

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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    Ukraine (and our career professionals™) wanted a meeting prior to the funds being released. They tried to get it while the money was still on hold and that didn't happen.
    So they got their meeting, just after the funds were released? Again, worst QPQ ever if we give them everything they want but don't require anything in turn.
    Whiskey

    May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggy View Post
    IMHO, this latest saga or lynching/coup attempt is now over and it will be DOA when it goes to the US senate. Now it will be the next Trumped up charge.
    Agreed. Maybe President Trump could make it a little harder by not seeking attention as he is prone to do.
    Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President... - Theodore Roosevelt, Lincoln and Free Speech, Metropolitan Magazine, Volume 47, Number 6, May 1918.

    Every Communist must grasp the truth. Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party Mao Zedong, 6 November, 1938 - speech to the Communist Patry of China's sixth Central Committee

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