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    Perhaps the Best performance for an Actor that I have seen in years.
    It's a deep sad story, but he has his vengeance.
    The Joker is born of our apathy, and as a result, we made and deserve him
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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    When people talk about the mass shooter, incel, disaffected SWM "problem" in America, they always talk about gun control, SSRI's, mental health diagnoses, etc., and I shake my head. What's my answer? "Be Nice"

    It really does boil down to that. I've long ago lost the link and wish I could find it again, but there was a mass shooter who took out his rage and impotence on his place of employment. They had an unarmed guard (an oxymoron if I've ever heard one) and the entrance. He survived the rampage. Why? Because he was nice. I don't remember all the details but this one stuck with me. The guard was interviewed after the crime and he said the guy walked in with his gun, paused at the guard and said "You were always nice to me, so I'm not going to kill you today.", then proceeded to kill several coworkers and bosses.

    That stuck with me. You may never know the only thing that saved you from being murdered was just being nice to someone. Let's face it, there are some people you just can't help. They are on a collision course with harsh reality and cannot be persuaded to correct course. I've known people like that and done what I could to help them understand why everyone shuns them. The whole "it's not all of them, it's you" soft talk. Their wiring will never allow them to function well in a society. That doesn't mean you need to beat them over the head with their deficiencies on a continual basis.

    I'll definitely go see this one based on Fly's recommendation. It sounds like a familiar real-life theme, with some dramatic flair thrown in. Joaquin Phoenix has always struck me as one of those odd ducks anyway. He's probably the perfect actor to make this role his own.
    Same thing happened with a couple kids at Columbine. One kid was told to leave school before the shooting started but they didn't tell him why he should leave the school and in another instance they came across somebody who asked "What are you guys doing" to which they replied "Shooting people" and then he asked "Are you going to shoot me?" and they said no and walked past him.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    Taxi Driver was about an incel. Taxi Driver was a cartoon.

    Joker hits too close to the bone.
    Without going into spoilers, he’s not a bad guy. He’s not. He is implicitly innocent at first. Just an ordinary, downtrodden man trying to get by.

    He has problems which are explained and aren’t unreasonable. And he keeps trying so damn hard throughout. I cannot say he is sympathetic as much as he is totally understandable.

    Ledger’s Joker was most likely a soldier whose One Bad Day started in SWA. A bit grandiose but not totally out of the question.

    Nicholson’s Joker was a gangster goombah who had a taste for Vaudeville.

    Romero’s Joker was simply a classical imp who was darkly subversive for the 60s(I actually like his Joker most of all)

    But Phoenix Joker is legitimately horrifying because he could be anybody. Throw enough shit at someone long enough and don’t be shocked if he throws shit back in deuces.

    There are points in the film where you see that if something was just a bit different that all the bad could have been avoided. He never stops being sincerely and genuinely optimistic until he realizes nothing is going to change. Then it gets dark.

    The joke is ultimately on YOU. The viewer. Because you live in the clown world YOU helped create either by doing too much, not enough, or nothing at all.

    These are the 2010s folks. Where we have devolved to the point that villainous traits seem not just reasonable but essential to survive.

    It’s brilliant.

    As for Letos Joker.. that never happened
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    I’m going to the 1030 showing tonight.

    My expectations have increased.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mack7.62 View Post
    Me too, I had no interest in seeing this but now....
    Same here!
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    I'm not really sure how to review Joker, except to say it was a scarily brilliant film. Superbly written, directed, and acted.

    I think the film truly captures the descent into darkness that can accompany a person pushed to the limit through abuse, societal pressure, neglect, and mental illness. The reality and relatability of Arthur Fleck's journey in the film is what makes it so heavy, and Joaquin Phoenix captured it brilliantly.

    If Joaquin doesn't get Best Actor for this role, i'll be extremely disappointed.
    Last edited by B Cart; 10-04-19 at 22:12.

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    Go see Joker

    Just walked out.

    It
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    Brilliant

    So many jabs at contemporary society and the establishment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jpmuscle View Post
    Just walked out.

    It
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    So many jabs at contemporary society and the establishment.


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    I was sitting here today thinking about the movie again as it's been almost 24 hours since I saw it.
    I kind of came to the conclusion that this story could have been anyone in similar circumstances, it didn't have to be "The Joker", it was more palatable for the masses to make this story using a fictional character. Nothing like this tragedy could ever happen to a down trodden Man in real life could it?
    The answer is Yes, it does everyday. Using a comic book character to tell this story simply makes it a bit safer for public consumption.

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    Go see Joker

    Joker viewers around the globe WALK OUT of movie theaters

    https://mol.im/a/7540901



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    ^^^^Walk out?

    1. What a bunch of pansies.
    2. So they had no idea what the movie was about prior to seeing it?
    3. One of them said it's Trump's fault.
    4. What a bunch of pansies.
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