General Dynamics RM-277 squad weapon

**Slater** · 10-15-19, 15:47

Interesting, but do we give a bullpup a chance in Hell in this competition?

"The weapons use what General Dynamics’ describe as a ‘gas and recoil operated, impulse averaged, air cooled’ system. With both the rifle and AR being magazine fed from box magazines – this again is a departure away from rival designs, with both Textron and SIG Sauer both utilising belt feeds."

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...pon-the-rm277/

**BoringGuy45** · 10-15-19, 17:21

Interesting concept. These polymer rounds appear to be a bit more of a viable and logical option compared to those bulky, shotshell-looking telescoping rounds. However, I still see these weapons trials going the way of the Advanced Combat Rifle, Land Warrior, and OICW programs. Not to say that this is all a solution in search of a problem; looking for a way to create a weapon that is smaller, lighter, more powerful, and more simple and reliable than current weapons is...well...what gun designers have been doing since the matchlock! I also think that the technology being put forth here is going to plant seeds for new types of guns in the future. However, right now, I don't think the technology is ready for prime time.

**SteyrAUG** · 10-15-19, 17:29

Lotsa "new" on that rifle, be interesting to see what does and doesn't work.

**Slater** · 10-15-19, 17:51

The Army tends to be (generally) very conservative. There may be too much that's "exciting and new" on this weapon for the Army's taste.

**Firefly** · 10-15-19, 20:16

Some do nothing rich kid countries in the Middle East will buy it like they do blinged out MP5s and G18s but even as a layperson I can see how that gun is a huge step back and not just as a bullpup.

**Leonidas24** · 10-15-19, 20:45

I don't know anything about this rifle but I want to meet the battalion CO that had his guys out in the field with full IOTV and DAPS with a rucksack and punch him in the nuts. That armor system is the biggest pile of trash I was subjected to in 2009.

**jpmuscle** · 10-15-19, 20:48

Bull pups are lame but I’d like to know more about the can.

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**Grand58742** · 10-15-19, 22:56

Why is it every time I read "lightening the soldier's load" I immediately think some poor sod is going to end up getting even more weight since someone will tell him to carry more ammo "because it doesn't weigh as much as the old stuff."

I'm not sure there's such a thing as too much ammo, but it just seems like each and every time a soldier's load gets lightened, they toss on even more stuff and somehow make it heavier.

**Jellybean** · 10-16-19, 01:05

"Squad weapon"
Do they mean "rifleman squad" or "New SAW", because....if they want a new squad auto...this is literally cheating;

**SteyrAUG** · 10-16-19, 01:21

Originally Posted by jpmuscle

Bull pups are lame but I’d like to know more about the can.

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I can tell you it's going to contribute to a lot of sight offset. Give me a damn Maxim design that rides below the bore with a QD mount. It's 100 years old and probably still the best way to go.

Originally Posted by Jellybean

"Squad weapon"
Do they mean "rifleman squad" or "New SAW", because....if they want a new squad auto...this is literally cheating;

That needs to be in general issue more than the new stupid SIG handgun.