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    Non-LEO SD and running out of bullets ?

    We all consider this. Using a gun (talking about handguns here) for self-defense and wondering what "enough" ammo in the gun and reloads is "comfortable"

    I recall a thread that was about how often Police reloaded their revolvers to stay in the fight and save themselves.

    Well, do we have any stories of non-LEO being injured or killed because they ran out of ammo?

    How about examples of non-LEO's whose reload or 2nd gun made a difference?

    Genuinely curious.

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    I feel like only LEO's that have dealt with responsibly armed citizens using a firearm to defend themselves will be able to answer here. The reason being most of this might be about stories people have heard, or found online. I would be surprised to find many articles with this much information, given as to how terrible the media is on reporting "good guy" with a gun stories, let alone details that specific.

    Hopefully I'm wrong though, because the thought of the thread is great.
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    The guy to ask on this one might be Mas Ayoob, since he's kind of the "data wonk" on these things. (I mean that in a good way. )
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    I don’t know, but expect that in addition to Mas Ayoob another name would be Greg Ellifritz. https://www.activeresponsetraining.net

    Immediately comes to mind is the Trolley Square Mall shooting. An off-duty police officer with a 1911 was at a severe disadvantage dancing with a Jihadi due to no spare magazine or additional handgun. That said, the officer and his dispatcher wife worked together to limit the bad guy’s movement. Responding Salt Lake Officers resolved the situation. Pretty similar to a non-police CCW scenario.

    Skokie shootout... very police-y, but 17 .45 hits weren’t enough - https://www.policemag.com/340699/sho...ois-08-25-2008

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardToHandle View Post
    Skokie shootout... very police-y, but 17 .45 hits weren’t enough - https://www.policemag.com/340699/sho...ois-08-25-2008
    I believe this is the case where the officer swapped his Glock 21 for a Glock 17 after the shoot out and keeps a couple of 32 rounders available.
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    Another category would be small retail business owners that may have much worse attacks then a regular Joe. Like that watch repair guy in the 1980s(?) who had to fight off increasing numbers of robbers at his shop. I think he used four or five revolvers in defending against one robbery attempt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NWPilgrim View Post
    Another category would be small retail business owners that may have much worse attacks then a regular Joe. Like that watch repair guy in the 1980s(?) who had to fight off increasing numbers of robbers at his shop. I think he used four or five revolvers in defending against one robbery attempt.
    https://forum.opencarry.org/index.ph...s-story.45333/

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWPilgrim View Post
    Another category would be small retail business owners that may have much worse attacks then a regular Joe. Like that watch repair guy in the 1980s(?) who had to fight off increasing numbers of robbers at his shop. I think he used four or five revolvers in defending against one robbery attempt.
    https://youtu.be/pkWgp2abM2w

    The audio of the 911 call he made while in the midst of a gunfight is in there. The guy sounds like he was pretty cool under fire.

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    Thanks.

    Yea, Mr. L. Thomas story certainly meets the criteria.

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    Harry Beckwith, numerous reloads although likely due to not really trying to kill his opponents.

    http://www.afn.org/~guns/ayoob.html

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