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    Obama fired a record number of senior officers. Not surprising this dude floated to the top. Gives him undue 'credence' when general officers are considered. His best quality was being a loyal Obama guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coal Dragger View Post
    Blaming officers for a lack of guidance from various POTUS is not really fair. The military doesn’t decide what the mission or mission goals are, nor the strategic definition of what victory or success parameters are.

    Without those your criticism is moot.
    Not true... They are supposed to be making recommendations. Help define victory/success, pros and cons, etc.

    Then refine those with the president and staff. Then go execute if needed. And make more suggestions when stuff changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mack7.62 View Post
    Then pray tell which socialism/communism supporting Dem candidate do you support for the next POTUS.
    None of them.

    I'm guessing you support the socialism/communism supporting Dem currently inhabiting the White House, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinzgauer View Post
    Not true... They are supposed to be making recommendations. Help define victory/success, pros and cons, etc.

    Then refine those with the president and staff. Then go execute if needed. And make more suggestions when stuff changes.
    You are making an assumption that this wasn’t taking place. You can make all the suggestions you want as a general officer, when POTUS tells you to pound sand and do things his way that’s that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1168 View Post
    I actually have entrusted my life to Bill, many times, and would do so again in a heartbeat. I worked with him extensively for a couple years. Dude was an intelligent and inspiring officer.

    This degree of bashing him because he does not agree with your NYC Democrat orange guy after retirement reminds me of why I dislike gun people. A bunch of relative nobodies talking shit on an overachieving and decorated leader of men.

    Does anybody recall under who’s leadership UBL got shot in the face?
    Anyone who supports Brennan, is questionable.

    Sprinkle in the fact that he thinks AR's are not to be owned by the Commoners...man Ill take a pass on him.

    Is his leadership the reason Dirty Santa got canoed? Had some one else been in charge during that time period not ordered that raid, based on that intelligence? At the end of the day, he took an order from POTUS, not the other way around.


    Is Trump uncouth, sure. Did McCraven give a single example of what he was shouting, nope...just feels. Where was his final plans for Syria or Afghanistan...ZIP. Now he wants to know why POTUS pulled out when an Article 5 member of NATO wanted to go after some terrorists. How about a formal deceleration of war, approved by CONGRESS is needed for that or do civilians need to give him lessons in the Constitution that the NAVY or JSOC forgot to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack7.62 View Post
    I have a question for the Trump basher's on the forum.

    Do you consider socialism/communism a bad thing or not?
    Quote Originally Posted by Uni-Vibe View Post
    Rich americans get all the socialism they want. Farmers, bankers, manufacturers, sports team owners, tech companies, defense contractors. Bailouts, contracts, subsidies, tax cuts, price supports. They just don't want the rest of us to have any socialism.

    Marx for them, Adam Smith for us.
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    Right so let’s not get rid of the subsidies and monopolies of the rich but instead spread that socialist crap down into every fiber of our country. Excellent idea!

    Why do socialists only think in terms or making things worse for everyone rather than better for everyone?
    Interesting where that went.

    How do we get rid of the subsidies and monopolies of the rich, in a way that the Republican Party will embrace?

    What will the folks that chant 'capitalism, capitalism' and unrestrained free market, unrestrained free market' have to say about it?

    Serious questions, I think if you are going to solve the problem you are going to need to undo Citizens United and a couple of other SCOTUS decisions, which IMVHO were made based on political rather than originalist grounds.

    Speaking to ag subsidies, they are kind of like many look at unions, needed when they were started, but now their utility is perverted.

    Farm subsidies.....help reduce the risk farmers endure from the weather, commodities brokers, and disruptions in demand. But they have evolved to become very complex. As a result, only large producers can take advantage of them.

    Out of all the crops that farmers grow, the government only subsidizes five of them. They are corn, soybeans, wheat, cotton, and rice.

    These grains provide 80% of the world's caloric needs. Grains can also be stored and affordably shipped. The top five states receiving subsidies are Texas, Nebraska, Kansas, Arkansas, and Illinois. In 2017, they received 38.5% of the $7.2 billion distributed.

    Between 1995 and 2017, $369.7 billion was paid out.

    Producers of meat, fruits, and vegetables can only benefit from crop insurance and disaster relief.

    Subsidies act like a regressive tax that helps high-income businesses, not poor rural farmers. Most of the money goes toward large agribusinesses. Between 1995 and 2017, the top 10%of recipients received 77% of the $205.4 billion doled out. The top 1% received 26% of the payments. That averages out to $1.7 million per company. Fifty people on the Forbes 400 list of the wealthiest Americans received farm subsidies. On the other hand, 62% of U.S. farms did not receive any subsidies.

    Read the rest of the article and see the history of farm subsidies an how ethanol is fvcking us all...


    https://www.thebalance.com/farm-subsidies-4173885

    Seriously, that group of quotes, should spark some discussion as to how to turn it around w/o full blown, or even semi blown, socialism.
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    Excellent post and links 26Inf. Archer-Daniels and Cargill do not federal subsidies. None of the farmers should get it. Let the market decide what needs to be grown in what quantity. State colleges already provide a wealth of local Ag expertise to help farmers choose crops, etc. And seed companies now demand exacting procedures for watering, fertilizing and harvesting of their patented seeds. And of course the only reason we have more expensive ethanol mixed in gasoline is due to corn farmer lobbying and Congressmen like Bob “on the” Dole.

    Stop all Ag subsidies. Totally not needed.
    Then start unraveling the medical field monopolies and price fixing, add mandatory estimates like car mechanics, and forbid hidden charges and allow imports and of course forced insurance.

    There is not one industry that should get subsidies except perhaps complex research but then it should be open source.
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    The reality is the government is corrupt and corruption breeds socialism and vice versa. Both are here to stay until "the citizens" have reached an untenable position. Socialism and corruption never reverse course on their own. There is no history of that happening.
    You won't outvote the corruption.
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    You won't outvote the corruption.
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    I think some of you did not read what was said. This is not about a disagreement on policy, or that a retired Admiral and General cannot speak out on policy.

    Advocating the "removal" of the elected President is extraordinary coming from the military.

    Taking cheep personal shots against the President is below the office and rank he held. "He started it" is not an excuse, there is a difference between being in the military and being in politics.

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