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    Quote Originally Posted by omegajb View Post
    The militarily officially recommends a fire rate of 12-15 rounds per minute in sustained fire situations.
    https://www.armystudyguide.com/conte...dy-guide.shtml

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    What does this prove?
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    Nothing. Army published its findings for barrel failure many years ago. So did Mark Westrom when he owned/ran Armalite. Once the barrel reaches a certain heat the steel structure is permanently changed and unsafe.

    LINK: Fire to barrel failure
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    The Army put the SOCOM barrel on Leg Army's M4s after they were told the Wanat (Afghanistan) action carbines failed due to the near cyclic rate of fire soldiers used to prevent being overrun by the massive shoulder-to-shoulder, in-depth human wave attacks the Taliban made [insert sarcastic smirk here].

    Standard Army carbines at the time had three-round burst trigger groups. If the soldiers were going near cyclic and actually aiming at visible targets the action must have been terrible (and the Hajji body piles must have been high and deep).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinister View Post
    The Army put the SOCOM barrel on Leg Army's M4s after they were told the Wanat (Afghanistan) action carbines failed due to the near cyclic rate of fire soldiers used to prevent being overrun by the massive shoulder-to-shoulder, in-depth human wave attacks the Taliban made [insert sarcastic smirk here].

    Standard Army carbines at the time had three-round burst trigger groups. If the soldiers were going near cyclic and actually aiming at visible targets the action must have been terrible (and the Hajji body piles must have been high and deep).
    I suspect that the real reason big army got “SOCOM” profile barrels and auto triggers has just as much to do with logistics as it does capability. I also suspect you know more than I do on this topic. Any insight?
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    In 2005 I formally recommended to the Infantry Directorate for Combat Developments (Small Arms) to improve the M4 for Marksmen would only take 1) replace the standard barrel with the SOCOM barrel; 2) swap the burst guts for the A1 fire control group (to improve the trigger -- they weren't going to buy Geissele Super Select Fire triggers ); and 3) free-float it. ACOGs were already in the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinister View Post
    In 2005 I formally recommended to the Infantry Directorate for Combat Developments (Small Arms) to improve the M4 for Marksmen would only take 1) replace the standard barrel with the SOCOM barrel; 2) swap the burst guts for the A1 fire control group (to improve the trigger -- they weren't going to buy Geissele Super Select Fire triggers ); and 3) free-float it. ACOGs were already in the system.

    Ah, well. 66% is MUCH better than nothing. A Joe can buy his own Daniel Defense Omega 7.0 and not permanently modify the weapon.
    Thank you for the excellent, inside info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinister View Post
    In 2005 I formally recommended to the Infantry Directorate for Combat Developments (Small Arms) to improve the M4 for Marksmen would only take 1) replace the standard barrel with the SOCOM barrel; 2) swap the burst guts for the A1 fire control group (to improve the trigger -- they weren't going to buy Geissele Super Select Fire triggers ); and 3) free-float it. ACOGs were already in the system.

    Ah, well. 66% is MUCH better than nothing. A Joe can buy his own Daniel Defense Omega 7.0 and not permanently modify the weapon.
    Why was the the burst trigger ever a thing to begin with?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jpmuscle View Post
    Why was the the burst trigger ever a thing to begin with?


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    To reduce ammo waste. The amount of ammo used per kill in was substantially higher than previous wars, so a 3 round burst reduces the amount of rounds per pull and makes the shooter think. Or so that's what I was told 20 or so years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chef8489 View Post
    To reduce ammo waste. The amount of ammo used per kill in was substantially higher than previous wars, so a 3 round burst reduces the amount of rounds per pull and makes the shooter think. Or so that's what I was told 20 or so years ago.
    Spot on. in addition, conventional wisdom was that after the first three rounds fired on Full Auto the sights were not on the target anymore and any remaining round fired were wasted.

    In my experience, the three burst trigger mechanism resulted in a poor and unpredictable semi auto trigger.

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