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    Change my mind: a hybrid comp is the best general purpose muzzle device

    Quote Originally Posted by Biggy View Post
    Larry Vicker’s personal carbine set-up from a little over a year ago. Looks like he chose to use the BCM Gunfighter hybrid muzzle device on it, so he evidently thought it was an okay compromise for *him*.

    https://youtu.be/4XtZp9uwpFk
    That’s already been mentioned. Remember, he has the job to sell BCM products. Larry also shoots rifles for a living in front of students.

    Larry even states he is biased.

    He also uses keymod. Should we all go to keymod because Larry does?

    For every ex-operator using a comp I’d bet you’ll find two or three using something else.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Five_Point_Five_Six View Post
    This thread can be summed up by saying ..... Some people think they can compete with Jerry Mic, and everyone else realizes they are a typical shooter"
    Fixed that for you.

    I used to think that splits mattered for competition. Then I actually looked at an events score chart and realized that the SD between shooters was 10 seconds, not a tenth of a second. Therefor muzzle device was completely irrelevant for match results.

    If making your rifle more annoying to everyone else around you, makes you 'feel' like a more proficient shooter, that's up to the individual. Some dudes put stupid wings and stickers on their cars too. I don't.

    I can't think of any other way to disprove the "I rock a comp cause my splits wins events argument" but that really is the only reason people buy comps.
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    I used to think splits mattered. Then I stared shooting USPSA. Now I know timing and subconscious gun handling matter more. And movement.


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    It all matters to a better score. Do you think a production gun can be shot as fast with the same accuracy as an open gun? I don't.

    And the idea that anyone at any match has said something like "I rock a comp cause my spilts win events" is pretty off the wall. It's a strawman.

    Comps, better triggers, tuned gas systems, light weight BCG's, good optics work to make the gun more shootable, if they didn't nobody would bother to use them, including guys like Jerry Miculek, unless of course you think he's some sort of shill. I can tell the difference between my competition gun and my non comp gun. It's a subtle difference but still noticeable. And this equipment isn't magic, it's not going make you a GM in 3gun if you're a C shooter.
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    I just got back from shooting my brand new BCM 14.5 with pinned Comp Mod 1. I was worried about it based on all the hate on here. Holy crap. There’s no extra blast. At all. Least, I couldn’t tell a difference between my A2 guns. Blown way out of proportion. Didn’t notice any flash at a poorly lit indoor range either. Very glad I went with it over an A2X.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomMcC View Post
    It all matters to a better score. Do you think a production gun can be shot as fast with the same accuracy as an open gun? I don't.

    And the idea that anyone at any match has said something like "I rock a comp cause my spilts win events" is pretty off the wall. It's a strawman.

    Comps, better triggers, tuned gas systems, light weight BCG's, good optics work to make the gun more shootable, if they didn't nobody would bother to use them, including guys like Jerry Miculek, unless of course you think he's some sort of shill. I can tell the difference between my competition gun and my non comp gun. It's a subtle difference but still noticeable. And this equipment isn't magic, it's not going make you a GM in 3gun if you're a C shooter.
    Again, Skill trumps gadgets.

    There have been lots of carry optics guns that have won open division.

    And before that, there were guys with production guns without a dot winning carry optics divisions. They specifically changed the rules to require a dot.

    Yup, little improvements can and do help. But the comp on an AR does as close to nothing as it can be.

    If we are building race guns we can go over to Benos and talk about race guns.


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    I think the best way to sum it for me is this:

    If I bought a gun that came with a good comp, I would just leave it on

    If I bought a gun with a fh on it, I would leave it on.

    If I was buying a gun and it had the option of either, I would go with a FH, especially assuming the comp. Would be an upcharge

    This is all assuming 556. You get into 308 and I start to see more of an advantage to a comp.

    At the end of the day though, it's really going to get a muzzle device I can mount my suppressor to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsllc View Post
    Again, Skill trumps gadgets.

    There have been lots of carry optics guns that have won open division.

    And before that, there were guys with production guns without a dot winning carry optics divisions. They specifically changed the rules to require a dot.

    Yup, little improvements can and do help. But the comp on an AR does as close to nothing as it can be.

    If we are building race guns we can go over to Benos and talk about race guns.


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    The question is can you shoot an open gun faster and more accurate than a production gun? Is the comp actually helping to control the recoil and muzzle rise or is it doing next to nothing? The question was never does talent trump gear... the question is do we optimize our gear so it's helping not hurting us. Even guys that are into SD shooting here optimize their gear and guns to not hinder their ability to perform. that's what this thread was about to begin with. If you don't think comp don't anything, fine, I do think they help and pretty much everybody competing, at least in speed games like 3gun, does too. That doesn't make it true of course, but it should make us ask if all these people are on to something.

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    Change my mind: a hybrid comp is the best general purpose muzzle device

    Quote Originally Posted by TomMcC View Post
    The question is can you shoot an open gun faster and more accurate than a production gun? Is the comp actually helping to control the recoil and muzzle rise or is it doing next to nothing? The question was never does talent trump gear... the question is do we optimize our gear so it's helping not hurting us. Even guys that are into SD shooting here optimize their gear and guns to not hinder their ability to perform. that's what this thread was about to begin with. If you don't think comp don't anything, fine, I do think they help and pretty much everybody competing, at least in speed games like 3gun, does too. That doesn't make it true of course, but it should make us ask if all these people are on to something.
    Thank you.

    The question was never about a comp taking a shooter from sub par to winning competitions. Instead, if it makes the same person even a bit faster, is it not worth the recommendation to run it on a GP rifle? I’m not trying to beat other people, I’m trying to beat myself. $70 in a hybrid comp will do that before $70 in ammo, IME. But it’s true, I’ve never swapped MDs at the range, so this is all based off feelings. Because I can feel (and more importantly, see with my reticle) the difference between comp and MD.


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    It doesn't make a difference though. Please show me a event where winners and losers where determined by a fraction of a second? Thats ALL you get with a comp. Fractions, and a very small fraction at that. For me and lsllc, we realize that fractions of a second means nothing when you want 10's-100's of seconds. However the disadvantages of a comp are real. I don't know what rules your competitions use, but mine shoot under the IMA 3G rules, and we don't even mention anything except the maximum volume of a comp. Mostly the rules dictate optics, bipods, and mag size. The things that really matter. Buffers, BCG's, gas blocks, triggers, etc are left unregulated.
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