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    Quote Originally Posted by lsllc View Post
    Lots of tier 1 door kickers speak highly of the the benefit of competitive shooting and are gamers themselves.


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    Thats fine but not opposed what I was saying. I just don't care when people act like what works on known stages or 1 way ranges automatically means its GTG for every other purpose. That doesn't mean people can't benefit from shooting different events or scenarios. Theres a big difference between knowing you're using equipment because you aren't shooting from confined spaces around other people with no ear pro or on a stage you can watch 10 other people navigate first where everyone has protective equipment and if you mess up its just an oops.

    I'd use a SF brake on every gun if all I ever thought I was going to use them for was shooting cardboard or paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    Thats fine but not opposed what I was saying. I just don't care when people act like what works on known stages or 1 way ranges automatically means its GTG for every other purpose. That doesn't mean people can't benefit from shooting different events or scenarios. Theres a big difference between knowing you're using equipment because you aren't shooting from confined spaces around other people with no ear pro or on a stage you can watch 10 other people navigate first where everyone has protective equipment and if you mess up its just an oops.

    I'd use a SF brake on every gun if all I ever thought I was going to use them for was shooting cardboard or paper.
    Just pointing out, because one is a gamer doesn’t mean they are ignorant of the other side of the house.


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    Change my mind: a hybrid comp is the best general purpose muzzle device

    Nobody responded to my last response, I assume because there aren’t any good arguments against it. Just like no one responded to mark’s post.

    And no one here is complaining about the recoil of an AR. We can try to minimize it further without complaining about it. It’s not bad, but it exists so it could be better.

    And I carry a comp’d 19 with RMR. I also compete with it. Because out of my handguns, it’s what I shoot best. The negatives are drastically overstated by people afraid of change IMO, which sounds familiar...



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    This isn’t a discussion that particularly interests me, but I figure it is worth pointing out this super heavy gamer gun with a hybrid muzzle device.

    https://lmtdefense.com/firearms/nz-mars-l

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    As was already said, you’ve got your mind made up. You said you don’t care about the negatives. You started the thread with your mind made up.

    You’re also using one of the least compy comps out there.

    It’s mediocre as a comp. It’s mediocre as a flash hider.

    Other than mental masturbation and “feelings”, can you prove it’s better?

    Like I said, I have all the comps too. I have the WarComp, the Battle Comp and several of the BCM comps when they were freebies.

    Of those, the only one that gives me the feeling I’m ready to shoot an A-zone any faster is the Battlecomp. I also use that rifle to hunt with quite a bit, it’s a 14.5” pin/welded. Years ago, after I’d first got the upper, I set off a round early one morning deer hunting and despite sock caps and all that, my ears rang for a good hour. I still remember the distinct flash of red in front of my face. I remember thinking, “damn I’d hate to have to light up somebody in the house with this thing in the middle of the night.”

    As nobody is going to change your mind about what YOU like, you’re not going to convince anybody it’s better either.

    On your comped 19, there are tons of advantages. The advantages of a comp are more significant than with a handgun and I’ll never dog you for it. I’ve spent a fair amount of time with carry comps and they do work. The one thing I found them to be most helpful for was keeping my lens clean on my x300U. That lights been on the gun 5 years an I’ve still not had to clean it.

    It’s all about compromises. The comp’ed 19 is faster back on the dot for me, but I’m still faster with a CZ Shadow 2 or a Sig X5 Legion. Who wants to carry a 45 oz gun even if I “shoot it better”? Therein lies the entire point why many don’t think the juice is worth the squeeze for a comp despite it being a very mild advantage.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    Maybe it's from all my time with shotguns, but I just don't register it much.

    Kind of like Glock BTF LOL
    I don't either. I ran a 7.62x51 as a primary for s few years......years ago, and am still appreciating the "poodle shooter".

    And I guess some folks' faces are just brass magnets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JediGuy View Post
    This isn’t a discussion that particularly interests me, but I figure it is worth pointing out this super heavy gamer gun with a hybrid muzzle device.

    https://lmtdefense.com/firearms/nz-mars-l
    Slap a trigger in it, some rail covers, maybe an optic and you're ready to game. I've seen just about every iteration of rifle used in 3gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ViniVidivici View Post
    I don't either. I ran a 7.62x51 as a primary for s few years......years ago, and am still appreciating the "poodle shooter".

    And I guess some folks' faces are just brass magnets.
    My perspective also.

    My only big rifle experience when I entered the Marine Corps was shooting my dad's 30-06, a 1903 that he had redone with a Herters stock, etc. My first rounds out of the M-14 had me thinking 'wow, this is nice.'
    Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President... - Theodore Roosevelt, Lincoln and Free Speech, Metropolitan Magazine, Volume 47, Number 6, May 1918.

    Every Communist must grasp the truth. Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party Mao Zedong, 6 November, 1938 - speech to the Communist Patry of China's sixth Central Committee

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsllc View Post
    Good post. One contention, and maybe it’s me. But I call my shot as the dot lifts. A comp won’t make that easier for me. If anything or would make it less obvious. Is there technique I’m unaware of that a comp can aide my shot calling?


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    As your shooting fast, the dot streaks less and has less movement so its easier to call shots that are close to scoring lines, edge of steel, etc.

    Edit-Maybe a better statement would be its easier to track the dot/sights because there is less movement.

    Quote Originally Posted by lsllc View Post
    Also I need to add they do speed up splits; if your accuracy standard is fixed, which it should be, the comps will speed up your splits maintaining a given level of accuracy.

    If you’re pulling the trigger so fast you cannot maintain your accuracy standard, you need to slow down. You shouldn’t be firing two hopers and calling it good.


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    Bit of a side discussion, but its a different approach. In a non-training scenario, I agree. But in training, I go to a target size/distance and speed to get 90+% hits, speed up, analyze why I miss and try to fix it.

    For example. Full speed at 10yds would yield A/C every time because I was over-driving the gun. I relaxed and began getting more and more A/A. Same concept transfers to rifle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    Deleted and trying this a 3rd time but people arguing about split times and 1 way range 'gun gamer' nonsense is pretty ****ing gay (no offense to the gays out there I promise).


    Its sad how performing in courses and against timers have become so dominant when actually using these guns and when bullets are coming the other way throws most of that BS out the window.


    And yes I've seen the videos of different instructors with comps and other sponsored gear. Guaranteed if they were thrown into a situation the comps would be gone and they'd do just fine with a birdcage. Haley's favorite MD is a Surefire comp but under a suppressor on 1 way ranges. I like the SF comp too when Ive used them but not a gun that might get used inside my own bedroom or kitchen.
    Timers is how you quantify performance and get better.
    I think people approach it wrong and think “what gear can make me better”, instead of “how can I get better with the gear I need”. There is some gray area, and always some crossover, but a gear approach will always hold you back IMO.

    But when it comes to shooting- getting the hits you need as quick is possible is the basis for both competition and SD, or offensive shooting.
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    Gamers, Trainers, and even some MIL guys get paid to run gear. Sure some of it works, sometimes the guys that know how to shoot even help design or improve it, but at then end of the day they get paid to run it and say nice things about it.

    Quick question for the comp guys: Please quantify your training in low light and enclosed spaces. (Shoot house, inside a vehicle, etc.)

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