
Originally Posted by
lsllc
Optimized. Optimized. Do you really want a rifle that is optimized?
Because if we take that word for it’s value, you’re not choosing your gun. You’re likely choosing a rifle length 18” rifle, with a proprietary gas system tuned to barely function with .223 rounds, a proprietary buffer system, fixed stock, low mass bolt carrier, and a huge muzzle brake.
That’s how you “optimize”. We have very different opinions of optimized. Optimized to me means 2 MOA or better, complete reliability with any factory brass cased .223 round, light, optic, and controls/other enhancements that make the gun easier to shoot as quickly and accurately as possible without detracting from reliability or introducing significant potential disadvantages in a tactical scenario.
Your guns are more likely to be stolen than used in a defensive situation, so why own them at all other than joy?
If joy is your concern, which it seems it is, why not just go baller gamer gun? After all, you said it’s unlikely to be used and that configuration means it’s “optimized”.
The same can be said of your CCW, you’re probably never going to use it. Why carry at all? Or why not carry a tiny pocket gun? Truth is we are PLANNING for the worst case scenario.
That leap seems hard for you to make. You think training is a good idea. You probably also think a CCW is a good idea. Obviously you think having guns is a good idea. But you’re not planning for the possibility of having to use one. Because if you were, you wouldn’t say some of the things you do.
See above. I never want a gun to hold me back. My guns will outshoot me, and that's how I want it, but not at the cost of certain aspects, in case I do have to use them. None of them violate those aspects. Just because you think a hybrid comp suddenly disqualifies a gun from being a defensive tool, doesn't make it gospel bro. I dgaf who you are, there's enough disagreement that it can't be a 100% answer so each person has to choose that for himself.
Yourself, you have said you’ve had little lowlight shooting. You’ve had little realistic training. Do you think, it’s possible, that since those that have are suggesting they don’t choose a comp, they have learned a thing or two in the way that you haven’t?
I think I have stated here that it may just because I don't have a ton of low light shooting.
You’re also seeing many suggesting they have game and range guns and a separate defensive gun.
You think people are overstating the negatives of a comp, but you’ve never experienced them due to your training. Do you think it’s possible you’re overstating the advantages of a carbine with a comp?
I still haven’t heard how much faster you can maintain acceptable hits with your comp than without it.
Well the thread is titled "change my mind" for a reason. I don't have to justify the reason to you, if you want to play the game by posting in the thread, you have to come in with the quantifiable evidence. Which I have yet to see... And, all that being said, I mentioned it physically impossible right now and it won't happen for a while. But apparently you think my lack of commitment adds to your argument so FYI, you haven't seen times because I'm OCONUS at the moment.
Additionally, have you considered that you may not be able to make a life and death decision as quickly as you can pull the trigger?
Sure, but as said above, if I can do something to my gun that'll help ensure my POA is back on target quicker without violating certain principles, why wouldn't I? Just because maybe the trigger doesn't need to be pulled? That's the same logic as not putting a WML on your carry gun because some idiot somewhere used it as a general illum tool and muzzled someone while searching with the WML. It won't automatically turn you into a dumbass.
Have you considered that you may get to explain to the jury that you put five rounds in the heart without reassessing the threat to your life? “Mr Wake, you fired two rounds into this man’s chest in 0.20s, what indication did you have that said perp was still a threat in the 0.2s between when you fired shot three which also struck the man in the heart? You didn’t assess the situation, did you? You intended to kill this man, didn’t you, Mr. Wake? You’re a murderer with your assault weapon! You even had it modified to kill faster!”
What ****ing prosecutor is going to know that you were shooting at .2 splits, much less call you on it? Even still, I'm of the mindset that the first shot shouldn't be fired until you honestly believe that your life is in imminent danger. Once that has been achieved, you shoot until that is no longer the case - I have yet to see where a follow up shot was not only pressed but a deciding factor in a case, unless that shot was ridiculous for one reason or another. But we're not talking about shooting a dude, walking up to him, videoing him bleeding out, and then shooting him again for good measure.
Granted, having the comp doesn’t mean you can’t slow down, but it also negates the perceived benefit as well, doesn’t it?
I’m not suggesting you change your rifle to be PC or hurry friendly, but rather understand the things that will be thrown at you as well as to question how much an advantage that comp may be in the real world off the square, static range.
And all I'm saying, is are we sure that the negatives are that serious, especially give the likely method of employment? Or are we just proliferating mental masturbation because that's the way its always been done?
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