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Thread: Change my mind: a hybrid comp is the best general purpose muzzle device

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    Two different schools of thought in this thread. How do they affect combat or perhaps self-defense, and how do they affect your ability to score fast (in games) or next to other shooters (either in routine "Administrative" shooting at gun ranges or in close proximity to others waiting for your turn during a game).

    Are you shooting commercial ammo or handloads? Are you restricted to military ammo or ammo bought on a state or municipal contract? How many are actually shooting at dusk or in the dark?

    Who's shooting close to others while moving (i.e., combat or training for combat, or just near others at your club range)? Who's shooting for A, B, and C-zone hits against time?

    What works for somebody doing 3-Gun (out of pocket or sponsored) are not going to be the same considerations for those looking to outfit a 4-man team to a 100-man company or squadron.

    If you're using ammo with factory-blended flash suppressant in your powder, know you're going to have more smoke. Do you even need a flash suppressor, or do you default because that's how the barrel was made or sent to you?

    Do you shoot with a suppressor?

    Do you ever shoot while moving?

    Shooting at targets or hogs is different than shooting with binocular or fused NVGs on the move in close spaces with reverberating blast and echo. Running a 3-Gun course in sponsored polyester cycling shirt is going to be way different than training young people to shoot static.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wake27 View Post
    Junkyard prone sucks with a comp, give you that. But just like night shooting, its pretty rare for most people IME.
    I do both a fair amount and with winter coming up I'll be doing more low light. Throw in some shoot house scenarios and utilizing team tactics, the last thing I want is increased blast and flash.
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    Not to mention that not everybody has the same eyes/ears/etc. A very light sensitive shooter building for Bump In The Night work, such as myself, might consider flash management paramount over everything except terminal ballistics and mechanical reliability so that he can SEE what he's shooting at to assess whether or not a follow-up shot is required and where to place it.
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    I was thinking about comps a little more and came up with this hypothesis: "Most people with a comp, have no business owning one".

    Let me explain.

    I shot my first competition last month and placed in the 25%. The next guy better than me, was by 9 seconds. The difference between first and 2nd place was 11 seconds. 9th and 10th place was difference of again.... 10 seconds. My competition rifle is a 14.5 LW with a 4 prong P&W. This rifle uses a regular H2 buffer and mil spec BCG. Now would changing to a fully comped 18" with low mass BCG move me significantly higher up the ladder? Probably not. As can be seen; even if changing rifles took 0.05 off my splits, that wouldn't mean anything when the next shooter is 10 seconds faster. I would literally have to shoot 200+ targets to make up the difference in gear. Now, what is my actual plan to get those 10+ seconds? I have to mentally rehearse each stage better. I can't miss targets or worse forget to shoot some. I need to really dial in the nut behind the trigger. In fact after shooting my first match I decided that the targets where large enough to not even warrant the use of expensive match ammo. All future matches will probably be shot with the cheapest M193 I can find.

    Most shooter's given a choice will choose a piece of gear if it is supposed to make them better. Even if that piece of gear only makes them 0.0001% higher in the ladder.


    I might even go one step further and say: "if my rifle had recoil like a bare muzzle, but made ZERO blast, I could shoot it even faster."
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    Don't forget flash suppressant in ammo can really effect how much flash you'll see out of any given ammo. The ammo most of us are buying doesn't really have to meet any sort of contract requirements for flash suppression performance during QA or they could be sold to us because that lot failed some sort of contract QA standards that's not safety related.

    As for blast out of a muzzle device people should try whatever MD they want to use in different prone or confined space positions to see if the added blast is worth a little bit of less muzzle rise. These things get greatly magnified in a room or from prone. Go watch some videos on YouTube and see how dust getting kicked up sucks. If you live in the PNW that's probably not much of a concern but confined spaces will always be an issue. Most of us fall into the HD/SD category, and then duty like LEO's. That means insides buildings or around other people. You don't want to blast yourself or your family/spouse/partners anymore than you can help, and muzzle rise is a negligible issue at distances you can ever legally articulate in a justified shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    If you live in the PNW that's probably not much of a concern but confined spaces will always be an issue.
    If you live in the PNW, at least the Northern Wet Side, you're lucky to be ABLE to even train with your AR because the ranges are run by Elmer Fudd who shits his pretty pink panties at the mere mention of EBR's...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinister View Post
    Two different schools of thought in this thread. How do they affect combat or perhaps self-defense, and how do they affect your ability to score fast (in games) or next to other shooters (either in routine "Administrative" shooting at gun ranges or in close proximity to others waiting for your turn during a game).

    Are you shooting commercial ammo or handloads? Are you restricted to military ammo or ammo bought on a state or municipal contract? How many are actually shooting at dusk or in the dark?

    Who's shooting close to others while moving (i.e., combat or training for combat, or just near others at your club range)? Who's shooting for A, B, and C-zone hits against time?

    What works for somebody doing 3-Gun (out of pocket or sponsored) are not going to be the same considerations for those looking to outfit a 4-man team to a 100-man company or squadron.

    If you're using ammo with factory-blended flash suppressant in your powder, know you're going to have more smoke. Do you even need a flash suppressor, or do you default because that's how the barrel was made or sent to you?

    Do you shoot with a suppressor?

    Do you ever shoot while moving?

    Shooting at targets or hogs is different than shooting with binocular or fused NVGs on the move in close spaces with reverberating blast and echo. Running a 3-Gun course in sponsored polyester cycling shirt is going to be way different than training young people to shoot static.
    Thats what I dont get about "Whats best?" type threads because the right answer is always "It depends".

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnburglar View Post
    I was thinking about comps a little more and came up with this hypothesis: "Most people with a comp, have no business owning one".

    Let me explain.

    I shot my first competition last month and placed in the 25%. The next guy better than me, was by 9 seconds. The difference between first and 2nd place was 11 seconds. 9th and 10th place was difference of again.... 10 seconds. My competition rifle is a 14.5 LW with a 4 prong P&W. This rifle uses a regular H2 buffer and mil spec BCG. Now would changing to a fully comped 18" with low mass BCG move me significantly higher up the ladder? Probably not. As can be seen; even if changing rifles took 0.05 off my splits, that wouldn't mean anything when the next shooter is 10 seconds faster. I would literally have to shoot 200+ targets to make up the difference in gear. Now, what is my actual plan to get those 10+ seconds? I have to mentally rehearse each stage better. I can't miss targets or worse forget to shoot some. I need to really dial in the nut behind the trigger. In fact after shooting my first match I decided that the targets where large enough to not even warrant the use of expensive match ammo. All future matches will probably be shot with the cheapest M193 I can find.

    Most shooter's given a choice will choose a piece of gear if it is supposed to make them better. Even if that piece of gear only makes them 0.0001% higher in the ladder.


    I might even go one step further and say: "if my rifle had recoil like a bare muzzle, but made ZERO blast, I could shoot it even faster."
    Its definitely true that gear can't overcome talent. Having said that, most guys I know will spend a certain budget to try and optimize their game stick. Some guys have a huge budget, some not so big. Some guys run a much more tactical set up and some will run a totally tricked out gamer. I kept mine sort of toward the middle but shaded toward the gamer side a little. So I have a pretty good comp, a good 3 lb short reset trigger and a decent lpvo. Those 3 things really make a difference to me. But, even though I'm out there trying to beat everyone, I know I won't, not because I dont have the zootest comp or other doohickey, but because I dont have enough talent and I'm 66 yrs old with a bad knee. Depending on the level of competitive talent in your area, your personal level of talent and your willingness to consistently attend the match will have a lot to do with where you place and/or improve. With gear, you dont want it holding you back, but be reasonable in your expectations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomMcC View Post
    Its definitely true that gear can't overcome talent. Having said that, most guys I know will spend a certain budget to try and optimize their game stick. Some guys have a huge budget, some not so big. Some guys run a much more tactical set up and some will run a totally tricked out gamer. I kept mine sort of toward the middle but shaded toward the gamer side a little. So I have a pretty good comp, a good 3 lb short reset trigger and a decent lpvo. Those 3 things really make a difference to me. But, even though I'm out there trying to beat everyone, I know I won't, not because I dont have the zootest comp or other doohickey, but because I dont have enough talent and I'm 66 yrs old with a bad knee. Depending on the level of competitive talent in your area, your personal level of talent and your willingness to consistently attend the match will have a lot to do with where you place and/or improve. With gear, you dont want it holding you back, but be reasonable in your expectations.
    99.9999% of people with a working gun and working optic don’t have the problem with gear holding them back.

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    It stings but buying Gucci gear doesn’t improve your ability. Period.


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