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Thread: Change my mind: a hybrid comp is the best general purpose muzzle device

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsllc View Post
    99.9999% of people with a working gun and working optic don’t have the problem with gear holding them back.

    Ben Stoeger won nationals with a stock pistol he had just gotten. I’ve never seen anybody who would win or lose a match based on their gear selection.


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    Some guys have a lot of talent. More than likely when a lot of higher level shooters compete against each other, gear can make a difference. When you're trying beat a guy who's as good as you an edge can get you that tenth you needed. It might be gear or it might be that extra hour of sleep you got and he didnt.

    At my level a 3 lb as opposed to a 7 lb creepy trigger can make a pretty good difference in speed and accuracy. Not huge time but a couple of seconds on a stage. I can definitely shoot my warmed over CZ SP-01 better and faster than a stock one.

    As an example. I shot a 300 rd 6 stage rifle match in September. My 2 buddies who usually beat me in 3gun partied the night before until 1 or 2. I went to bed early. I beat both of them right good. Our gear was pretty similar (they have better optics) and I'm 13 and 16 yrs older. Gear wasnt the difference in this case, sleep was.
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    This thread can be summed up by saying that flash hiders and muzzle brake/comps both have things going for and against them and everybody should just run whatever they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Five_Point_Five_Six View Post
    This thread can be summed up by saying that flash hiders and muzzle brake/comps both have things going for and against them and everybody should just run whatever they want.
    Pretty much. But guys like to talk about gear...its all over this forum. But maybe some new guy gets helped...maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomMcC View Post
    Some guys have a lot of talent. More than likely when a lot of higher level shooters compete against each other, gear can make a difference. When you're trying beat a guy who's as good as you an edge can get you that tenth you needed. It might be gear or it might be that extra hour of sleep you got and he didnt.

    At my level a 3 lb as opposed to a 7 lb creepy trigger can make a pretty good difference in speed and accuracy. Not huge time but a couple of seconds on a stage. I can definitely shoot my warmed over CZ SP-01 better and faster than a stock one.

    As an example. I shot a 300 rd 6 stage rifle match in September. My 2 buddies who usually beat me in 3gun partied the night before until 1 or 2. I went to bed early. I beat both of them right good. Our gear was pretty similar (they have better optics) and I'm 13 and 16 yrs older. Gear wasnt the difference in this case, sleep was.
    Sure operating at peak performance matters. But the difference between a comp or flash hider or a mediocre vs match trigger has virtually no effect on your score. If two shooters are on the top level, maybe gear may help push one over the edge. But more likely, lack of mental errors will do more for them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Five_Point_Five_Six View Post
    This thread can be summed up by saying that flash hiders and muzzle brake/comps both have things going for and against them and everybody should just run whatever they want.
    Yes and no. I’m by no means advocating that everyone should just run a hybrid comp and there is no place for flash hiders. But, most of the arguments here are the same ones I initially brought up - HD/SD, night shooting, junkyard prone, or shooting in houses with other people.

    I seriously doubt there are that many people here that are just operating non stop. Can’t feel the difference? I don’t know how, but sure, probably not worth it then. Personally I don’t care if a pro shooter can win a match with a stock gun. Guess what? He has a lot more time shooting and dry firing than I may ever get. So I’m not opposed to spending the extra money on a part that will give me extra mechanical advantage in case I’m being sloppy behind the gun. And we’re talking about a difference of like $70. Buying an A2 instead of a BCM comp and putting the money saved towards ammo is not going to be the difference between a shit shooter and even a decent one.


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    It's only dark half the day. Luckily the bad guys like to do most of their work in the light half...

    For that reason I do not support dismissing low light, both gear and training.

    Look, if your HD plan doesn't really include the AR and you don't really believe society could break down, have fun with your comps. Or if you have shot your comp in low light, and enclosed spaces and feel it's advantages outweigh the disadvantages, enjoy your comp.

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    Change my mind: a hybrid comp is the best general purpose muzzle device

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake27 View Post
    Yes and no. I’m by no means advocating that everyone should just run a hybrid comp and there is no place for flash hiders. But, most of the arguments here are the same ones I initially brought up - HD/SD, night shooting, junkyard prone, or shooting in houses with other people.

    I seriously doubt there are that many people here that are just operating non stop. Can’t feel the difference? I don’t know how, but sure, probably not worth it then. Personally I don’t care if a pro shooter can win a match with a stock gun. Guess what? He has a lot more time shooting and dry firing than I may ever get. So I’m not opposed to spending the extra money on a part that will give me extra mechanical advantage in case I’m being sloppy behind the gun. And we’re talking about a difference of like $70. Buying an A2 instead of a BCM comp and putting the money saved towards ammo is not going to be the difference between a shit shooter and even a decent one.


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    On the same vein, the comp is going to take you from shit shooter to descent either.

    Have you ever put the comp on your gun and read the timer? Then put the flash hider on and read the timer?

    If you haven’t your entire thread is “feelings” and not logical.

    Fractions of a second in standardized drills is all you’re getting with a comp. I’ve got half my guns with comps and it is small potatoes. Very small. I’ve done bill drills side by side from low ready and looking at the scores and times, they weren’t perceivable different.

    The better topic would be “comps are not very useful, change my mind”. With that title, I’m not sure you could come up with a compelling reason to use one.


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    Larry Vicker’s personal carbine set-up from a little over a year ago. Looks like he chose to use the BCM Gunfighter hybrid muzzle device on it, so he evidently thought it was an okay compromise for *him*.

    https://youtu.be/4XtZp9uwpFk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wake27 View Post
    Yes and no. I’m by no means advocating that everyone should just run a hybrid comp and there is no place for flash hiders. But, most of the arguments here are the same ones I initially brought up - HD/SD, night shooting, junkyard prone, or shooting in houses with other people.

    I seriously doubt there are that many people here that are just operating non stop. Can’t feel the difference? I don’t know how, but sure, probably not worth it then. Personally I don’t care if a pro shooter can win a match with a stock gun. Guess what? He has a lot more time shooting and dry firing than I may ever get. So I’m not opposed to spending the extra money on a part that will give me extra mechanical advantage in case I’m being sloppy behind the gun. And we’re talking about a difference of like $70. Buying an A2 instead of a BCM comp and putting the money saved towards ammo is not going to be the difference between a shit shooter and even a decent one.


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    No one here that is saying they prefer flash hiders has claimed to be operating non stop. That's an inaccurate takeaway of the things posted in this thread and reads like someone emotionally invested in their muzzle device. The juice ain't worth the squeeze for some of us.

    The price difference isn't a financial burden for me. If I felt like I was truly gaining an advantage I would use a brake or comp. I don't, so the $70 is a waste. I don't just apply that logic to gun parts either. Spending money unnecessarily over the course of a lifetime is how people end up broke when they retire and dependent on Social Security as their only form of retirement income. I'm not saying that's the camp you fall into, just a general observation.

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    I have have flash hiders (A2, SF closed tine) 14.5” guns and BCM Comps on a 14.5” and a 11.5”. My personal preference is the BCM comp, though the difference between comp and a FH is marginally noticeable. Slight flatter shooting, slightly more flash with the BCM comp. I’ve been next to the 11.5” being shot indoors on numerous occasions and while it is loud while a more concussion than the FH, it didn’t bother me in the slightest.

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