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Thread: Change my mind: a hybrid comp is the best general purpose muzzle device

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnburglar View Post
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    It doesn't make a difference though. Please show me a event where winners and losers where determined by a fraction of a second? Thats ALL you get with a comp. Fractions, and a very small fraction at that. For me and lsllc, we realize that fractions of a second means nothing when you want 10's-100's of seconds. However the disadvantages of a comp are real. I don't know what rules your competitions use, but mine shoot under the IMA 3G rules, and we don't even mention anything except the maximum volume of a comp. Mostly the rules dictate optics, bipods, and mag size. The things that really matter. Buffers, BCG's, gas blocks, triggers, etc are left unregulated.
    I've seen stages won or lost by tenths. But your challenge is impossible to prove either way. No one can prove absolutely that a trigger, bcg or whatever piece of equipment gave you the win or the loss. Even guys who post threads where they ran a rds and a lpvo back to back doesn't take into account all the variables of the human factor. All I can tell you is that I can shoot my gamer rifle a bit faster than my ad rifle.its subjective to me and that's what I will continue with. Use what you want.

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    If you put a Surefire SFMB or similar on your gun it’s way more than tenths. If your sight is literally staying still, you can dump rounds on target as fast as you can pull a trigger.

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    Dude, I lost to a buddy at a match-.02, yes, .02! Payback was when I won 2 pistols on the random drawing(Glock) I think we just need to ask what we want from the "enhancements" I can certainly tell a difference on an AR with an A2 verses a BCM.
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    Change my mind: a hybrid comp is the best general purpose muzzle device

    Quote Originally Posted by TomMcC View Post
    The question is can you shoot an open gun faster and more accurate than a production gun? Is the comp actually helping to control the recoil and muzzle rise or is it doing next to nothing? The question was never does talent trump gear... the question is do we optimize our gear so it's helping not hurting us. Even guys that are into SD shooting here optimize their gear and guns to not hinder their ability to perform. that's what this thread was about to begin with. If you don't think comp don't anything, fine, I do think they help and pretty much everybody competing, at least in speed games like 3gun, does too. That doesn't make it true of course, but it should make us ask if all these people are on to something.
    And on an AR15 the truth is it really doesn’t matter. 0.05 s faster splits makes no difference.

    We aren’t talking competition guns here. We are talking about life saving devices. If you think it helps you rock on, but you’re full of yourself if you think it really matters in real world use.

    Wake made this whole thread looking for confirmation or a decision he’d already made. Period.

    The comp doesn’t really matter period. It has real disadvantages. Period. You’re cool with it, rock on. I’ll still outshoot you with a flash hider.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TomMcC View Post
    I've seen stages won or lost by tenths. But your challenge is impossible to prove either way. No one can prove absolutely that a trigger, bcg or whatever piece of equipment gave you the win or the loss. .
    Im not asking to confirm it was the gear that clinched the win. I just have never seen a entire match won or lost by tenths. It would be as easy to prove me wrong as simply taking a screen shot of an score sheet where this incredibly rare instance happened. My claim is very easy to prove. The standard deviation between shooters at my last event was 10 seconds. 10.00 is a LOOOONNGGG way from 0.05. now if a comp took 10 seconds off my split times I would put two of them on.

    Another thing to think about: most people claim a comp helps them get the follow on shot off faster. This really only seems significant when you have to double tap a target. Which in competition happens at very close ranges. I literally have never wished my hammered pairs needed improvement. Thats like the LAST thing I could improve upon to get a better score.
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    I shoot all the time in the dark. That's a run of the mill A2 cage on an 18" barrel. Flash mitigation is important to me.

    I could care less about expensive wizz bang comps. I'm simple like that though. My "recoil mitigation" comes with proper technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsllc View Post
    Wake made this whole thread looking for confirmation or a decision he’d already made. Period.
    Like hell I did. I don’t care what other people use. I even said in this thread that I don’t care if someone runs a full comp next to me. I’ve used BCM comps for years and will continue to do so, despite what is said here (especially since there has yet to be a better an argument to convince me otherwise).

    I created this thread because I have noticed several posts lately where people have been recommending against anything other than a FH and I don’t agree with the reasons. Since it happened in multiple threads and I figured there could be decent discussion from it, I decided it was worthy of its own thread. And I use my GP gun for gaming along with everything else. The point of it being general purpose, is that it can fulfill multiple roles relatively well.

    I’m not which is more ignorant, assuming someone’s motivations or claiming that you’ll outshoot everyone here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wake27 View Post
    Like hell I did. I don’t care what other people use. I even said in this thread that I don’t care if someone runs a full comp next to me. I’ve used BCM comps for years and will continue to do so, despite what is said here (especially since there has yet to be a better an argument to convince me otherwise).

    I created this thread because I have noticed several posts lately where people have been recommending against anything other than a FH and I don’t agree with the reasons. Since it happened in multiple threads and I figured there could be decent discussion from it, I decided it was worthy of its own thread. And I use my GP gun for gaming along with everything else. The point of it being general purpose, is that it can fulfill multiple roles relatively well.

    I’m not which is more ignorant, assuming someone’s motivations or claiming that you’ll outshoot everyone here.


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    That’s cool. Quantify it on a timer and paper. Prove your point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lsllc View Post
    That’s cool. Quantify it on a timer and paper. Prove your point.


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    It would literally be impossible to qualify this type of experiment on paper. Why? Because even if the equipment doesn't change at all, people change. No one shoots the same string from one string to the next exactly the same. Your reflexes could be off a tiny bit, your concentration may have changed, your body movements won't be exactly the same. Whatever differences you encounter in times could and would be chocked up to any number variables I haven't even mentioned or the person trying the experiment isn't even aware of.

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    As far as I was concerned, this thread was useless from the beginning - there is no one size fits all.

    Wake77 wasn't asking for advice, he was like a flat earther asking folks to prove to him the world is an elliptical sphere, ain't going to happen.

    I'm not much for brakes, too blasty, haven't purchased any hybrid comps, so my frame of reference is limited. I didn't notice much ROI in terms of flatter recoil with the brake, though. Freely admit I don't have splits though.

    My Omega came with their Anchor Brake, it was also obnoxious as fvck, first thing I did was order a flat cap. Next thing was an ASR flash hider, then a blast shield for the ASR brake.

    I did have to laugh when I read this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake27 View Post
    The blast - this may be the biggest reason I see.........Yeah its noticeable and if its possible, I'll take an extra step away, but unless you're a complete bitch, I just don't see how its a real issue. .
    Because when it comes to AR's, I was kind of thinking 'you're a complete bitch' if you complain about recoil.....

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