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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Are you actually saying SLRs are better than the Swiss 550 series? Because I own a lot of both. SLRs are not as accurate. True SLRs have commonality with other AK pattern rifles but who gives a crap. MP5s aren't great subguns because they have commonality with Uzis, MP40s and MPLs. That's a meaningless consideration.

    Also everyone needs to get over the DI thing. If you push the M16/M4 platform past it's limits, it isn't carbon buildup that stops the rifle, the gas tube melts. That is the weak link, but even if you came out with some wonder gas tube that doesn't melt, the rifle would simply eventually catch on fire just like what happens when you push AKs past their limit.

    The only time DI is an actual consideration is if you as a user simply don't want to clean the inside of your receiver and then you want a piston gun. But that means you are going to be cleaning gas ports and piston channels instead because that is where those rifles dump all their carbon emissions. And yes, even those rifles can fail due to carbon buildup in those areas which is why FALs have so many gas settings and most have an adverse conditions setting.

    No matter what semi auto you are shooting, that stuff is going somewhere.

    I have several SLR 106's they are for the most part- are as accurate as my M4's. I owned three SIG 556's but they weren't that reliable and overall heavier even with the aluminum lower than my SLR's. Maybe the Swiss guns are better, which I would expect them to be but then again- they'd still be heavier than my SLR's. So I'd rather keep the lighter weight rifles, plus being able to swap recoil springs, extractor springs, small parts with other AKM's, Valmets or Galil's is a plus. However them being AK's, you can't swap barrels easily and they are now out of production. As far as AUG's, they will take a beating, easy to swap parts, and just about the most reliable rifles I've owned next to my AK's. I recently took one of my new LE6920's to the range, six malfunctions across four mags in under two hundred rounds- unreal. Then my new Colt 1911 was shooting four inches low during the same range trip- so it was not a good day. So looking over everything I own or owned, the AUG is in my top three.
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    Do the Sig. My SG553 is my absolute favorite 556 rifle.

    The SLR106 is trash, who cares if it's lighter than a 553? If you need a light gun just get an AR... I have had an SLR!06 and hated it. SLR104, 107 are both great but the 106 is pretty troublesome.

    I do like the SAM5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeride1 View Post
    Do the Sig. My SG553 is my absolute favorite 556 rifle.

    The SLR106 is trash, who cares if it's lighter than a 553? If you need a light gun just get an AR... I have had an SLR!06 and hated it. SLR104, 107 are both great but the 106 is pretty troublesome.

    I do like the SAM5.

    My 106's run fine, better than my AR's. However as far as the SIG goes, why pay what $4K for a rifle- when it's not even supported? At least an AUG is supported and you can swap barrels easily.

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    Supported? , both the Aug and Sig are currently manufactured. If you're going for lightweight, cheap and well supported you shouldn't go with an SLR, AUG or Sig. OP hasn't asked for a cheap bugout rifle he can easily get parts for.

    OP is stated he's looking for a quality black rifle and enjoys high quality European rifles. The Sig SG55X series are the pinnacle of that. Your experience with Exeter garbage is irrelevent. It would be no different than me saying the SLR106 is a bad choice because I didn't like my Century RAK47 (I don't own a Century RAK47.)

    OP if you handle a Swiss Sig you will be hooked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeride1 View Post
    Supported? , both the Aug and Sig are currently manufactured. If you're going for lightweight, cheap and well supported you shouldn't go with an SLR, AUG or Sig. OP hasn't asked for a cheap bugout rifle he can easily get parts for.

    OP is stated he's looking for a quality black rifle and enjoys high quality European rifles. The Sig SG55X series are the pinnacle of that. Your experience with Exeter garbage is irrelevent. It would be no different than me saying the SLR106 is a bad choice because I didn't like my Century RAK47 (I don't own a Century RAK47.)

    OP if you handle a Swiss Sig you will be hooked.

    Show me where SIG 550's and 551's are for sale. JDI, brought in what 192, SIG 550's and 551's but they are sold out.
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    Thanks for the feedback so far. I'm still looking. I've sadly never messed with a Swiss sig but I imagine it's comparable to the B&T maybe a bit nicer. I also messed with the MDR today and thought it was interesting but I know they had some issues. Not sure if they were ironed out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RetroRevolver77 View Post
    Show me where SIG 550's and 551's are for sale. JDI, brought in what 192, SIG 550's and 551's but they are sold out.
    You can order a Swiss 553 from JDI right now.

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    Heck, I'll throw an unusual alternative out there.

    I just picked up one of these.


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    Quote Originally Posted by freeride1 View Post
    You can order a Swiss 553 from JDI right now.
    See, you can't buy a 550 or 551 unless it's on the secondary market and then it's uber priced. If you get the 553LB you have to add 922r parts just have the standard stock. Is the LB barrel even long enough? Probably not so you have to weld something onto it or SBR it. Sounds like a bunch of fun or not. Maybe if JDI was bringing in complete 550's, 551's, 553's all made 922r compliant out of the box then you might have something worth getting into. My AUG's, I can just put a 20" barrel on or a 16" barrel, different optics for the different barrel lengths if I wanted- plenty of options direct from their US storefront.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RetroRevolver77 View Post
    I have several SLR 106's they are for the most part- are as accurate as my M4's. I owned three SIG 556's but they weren't that reliable and overall heavier even with the aluminum lower than my SLR's. Maybe the Swiss guns are better, which I would expect them to be but then again- they'd still be heavier than my SLR's. So I'd rather keep the lighter weight rifles, plus being able to swap recoil springs, extractor springs, small parts with other AKM's, Valmets or Galil's is a plus. However them being AK's, you can't swap barrels easily and they are now out of production. As far as AUG's, they will take a beating, easy to swap parts, and just about the most reliable rifles I've owned next to my AK's. I recently took one of my new LE6920's to the range, six malfunctions across four mags in under two hundred rounds- unreal. Then my new Colt 1911 was shooting four inches low during the same range trip- so it was not a good day. So looking over everything I own or owned, the AUG is in my top three.
    You must be a way better shot than me.

    As for weight:

    SLR-106 - 7.3 lbs.
    SIG 551 - 7.9 lbs.

    Swiss rifles can't even be compared to SIG 556 crap. It's like comparing a Russian Legion rifle to a Century receiver AK rifle.

    Being able to swap parts with Valmets and Galils, considering how rare they are, is also pretty pointless. Be better off just getting spare parts for the SLR, SIG or AUG. It's not like there is going to be a mass uprising where you "go to the hills" with your SLR 106 and it just so happens that the guy next to you is running a Valmet so you can source parts from his rifle.

    Not sure what is wrong with your 6920, but you are getting results that are just as surprising as the results you claim you are getting with your SLR. I've never seen a 6920 crap out that hard.

    But seriously if you wanted to have a rifle with the most reliable source of parts and support, well that would be the AR. And everyone else's seems to work just fine. Either something is wrong with that specific rifle and it needs to go back to the factory, or it's a build, or all of your mags suck or something else is very, very wrong.

    About the only thing really important coming out of training clinics where they fire a few thousand rounds over the space of a few days is you have a large sampling of what rifles can reliably be depended upon and what rifles choke and stall in the first hour and everything in between.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

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