Muddling For Solutions

[BoringGuy45]

There is a danger, both to individuals' psychological well being, as well as the efficiency of society's workforce, if we send the message that everyone hates their job, so just pick ANYTHING and suck it up. First, people SHOULD pursue a career in something that drives them. Part of our country's philosophy is about being driven to achieve. Also, it gives a free hall pass to employers to be cold and abusive if we send the message that work is SUPPOSED to be miserable, so nothing can, or should, be done to make life more pleasant for employees. It's not just bad for the employees, it's bad for efficiency and quality of work. "If you don't like it, there's the door," is not going to make people work harder.

I find it ironic that wishing for fulfillment and opportunity to achieve in a satisfying job is considered a leftist trait, while the hallmark of conservatism is being a cog in a job that we can barely tolerate because it's our f**king duty to this miserable world before we die nameless and unceremoniously. Pretty sure it's supposed to be the other way around.

[MountainRaven]

Interesting, I have not read his work either. We have record unemployment, food and transportation availability unlike anytime in history. We have an obesity epidemic (especially among the poor) and everyone has a new car or two in the driveway.

When I was a kid, everyone had new cars.

Now I think I know only one person who has a new car - everyone else drives cars they got used.

[lsllc]

When I was a kid, everyone had new cars.

Now I think I know only one person who has a new car - everyone else drives cars they got used.

When you were a kid, new cars weren’t year or two’s salary.

I looked at new pickups recently. They are literally 50-70k for a well equipped 3/4 ton.

My parents bought two in the mid 2000s for what one new one is.


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[prepare]

Socialism is a gloomy forecast because its all about processes that are always ****ed up and people don't matter which in turn cheapens life. A good life is about more than some arbitrary bullshit numbers and buying more stuff you don't need. This consumer marketed/driven economy is driving people insane. We have a 85% service economy, 5% agriculture, and 10% manufacturing. Thats unsustainable and its also why you constantly have some doofus telling you you need to buy a bunch of shit to be happy. People were probably happier in 1930's even though they had less. They were at least FREE to call a schmuck a schmuck and even punch a SOB in the nose without being arrested for violating someones rights or offending hordes of FB and twitter snowflake mother ****ers.

[Clint]

Mike Rowe
Don't follow your passion.

I have long been of the line of thinking that you don't have to love your job, you just have to be able to tolerate it. This notion of "following your dreams" is all fine and well for La-La Land, but in reality most of us tolerate our jobs because they pay the bills and allow us a decent lifestyle.

For instance, my dream job would be owning a gun shop and doing gun-related stuff. But guess what? Sure, it's possible, but how likely is it to let me live the life I want like my medical field job does? I've been in said field for almost 30 years; however, I don't watch medical shows, read medical journals or articles (unless it's a health condition that affects me or my family), and when I leave work each day it's like turning off a light switch until I have to go back. I'm not "into" medical stuff. It can be a drag quite often, sometimes depressing and more often annoying. I'm not a "people person", but I deal with it and have for nearly three decades. It pays pretty well and allows me to live the life I want to. Club Med it ain't but I can't complain too much considering I chose it long ago, and in a little over 8 years I can say "Sayonara" and never look back.

Bottom line? For too long young people have been conditioned to think that they need to "follow your dreams" and must do for a living what they most cherish in life. WRONG!!! You need to find something that you can tolerate, something that might actually be in demand (gasp!), even if it isn't your lifelong ambition. Maybe that generic business or arts degree is why you're living in Mom's basement and bitching about how "The Man" has f****d you over.

[ABNAK]

There is a danger, both to individuals' psychological well being, as well as the efficiency of society's workforce, if we send the message that everyone hates their job, so just pick ANYTHING and suck it up. First, people SHOULD pursue a career in something that drives them. Part of our country's philosophy is about being driven to achieve. Also, it gives a free hall pass to employers to be cold and abusive if we send the message that work is SUPPOSED to be miserable, so nothing can, or should, be done to make life more pleasant for employees. It's not just bad for the employees, it's bad for efficiency and quality of work. "If you don't like it, there's the door," is not going to make people work harder.

I find it ironic that wishing for fulfillment and opportunity to achieve in a satisfying job is considered a leftist trait, while the hallmark of conservatism is being a cog in a job that we can barely tolerate because it's our f**king duty to this miserable world before we die nameless and unceremoniously. Pretty sure it's supposed to be the other way around.

And those right there are key words, supposed to be. This is where that nasty thing called reality intersects with the Ideal World. Things generally aren't how they're supposed to be in a perfect world, because the world ain't perfect!

And no, "....wishing for fulfillment and opportunity to achieve in a satisfying job...." isn't considered a Leftist trait. When you continue to pursue that false dream (see the Mike Rowe video posted above) and then blame "society" or "The Man" for your broke-dick predicament in life then yes, THAT is a Leftist trait and I surmise you will likely vote that way since it's not really your fault after all right? The Left is attractive to that aspiring singer waiting for his/her "one big break" while waiting tables to barely pay the bills. The Left offers "free stuff" (which of course we all know isn't really free) that he/she can't otherwise afford because of a life choice. *caveat: I understand there are things that occur that are unpredictable, so you may have a tougher time of it every now and then throughout life but being resilient in those circumstances is paramount*

I believe I said earlier you don't have to love your job, just be able to tolerate it; I did NOT say do it if you absolutely hate it.

[glocktogo]

There are several differences between then and now. First, they didn’t measure success and financial well being by whether they had a new car in the garage Of their McMansion. They didn’t even have a garage. They had a crappy little clapboard house that was the equivalent of today’s two bedroom apartment. They didn’t have a 65” tv with 120 channels. They had a radio and they were lucky of they received more than one channel. They didn’t have a cell phone and internet. If they had a phone at all it was a party line.

Success for them was a roof over their heads, food in their bellies, heat in the winter and warm clothes. Luxury was a swamp cooler for the unbearable summer days and new shoes for the school year.

Today what we have is an ENTIRE industry devoted to selling misery. It tells you that you’re unhappy if you don’t have a half dozen schwoopy shoes in the closet. It tells you that a $5 coffee from a luxury shoppe every morning is a necessity. It tells you that unless you have 300 channels with nothing on and a personal assistant disc on the coffee table to cater to your every whim, you’re missing out on life. Same same for the robotic vacuum your cat can ride while you schedule it’s rounds from your $1,000 cell phone while you’re on the toilet. You no longer have to save half a year to order something nice out of the Sears catalog that will arrive in 4-6 weeks. You press a few buttons and presto, your trinkets will arrive by delivery drone in a couple of hours (not available in all areas, yet).

How we measure success these days is quite frankly, indulgent. If you turn off all the noise and programming, you can get back to happy if you have a roof over your head, food in your belly and clothes on your back. People just need to reprogram what they require to acquire happiness.

[Averageman]

There isn't a lot of delayed gratification going on anymore is there?
On the whole, not a lot of economic planning going on in the home either. Ever ask to see someone's budget?
How many middle class kids you see roofing houses in the summer to go back to school in the fall?
Not a lot of people buying new cars? I personally applaud that, why get screwed for 15 K for driving off the lot?
People don't understand that it takes sometimes decades of savings to accumulate even modest wealth. If you can understand that, then you can move forward in life being very wary of accumulating debt because debt is the polar opposite of wealth.

I have always been interested in personal finance and my parents were very helpful in teaching me as I was growing up.

[lsllc]

Contrary to what was said about everybody NOT buying new cars, the last shift I worked, I decided to examine what they drive:


2019 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off-Road
2019 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited
2019 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited
2020 Ram 2500 Cummins Diesel 4x4
2014 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off-Road
2019 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited
2018 Dodge Challenger Hellcat
2018 Ford F-150 Raptor



Then there’s me with a 2012 1/2 ton Chevy.



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[HMM]

I tell the youth at church that Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden and punished with what? Work!

I tell them to go to college and choose a profession that allows them to live the life they want, not to pick a career that they are passionate about. Work to live, don’t live to work. My job allows me to have many hobbies that I’m passionate about. I don’t hate my job but I wouldn’t show up for free. And what I like about it the most is the life it allows me to live.

And when I say college, trade school is included if not preferred.