Active shooter at Pearl and now Pensacola NAS - 12/6

[mack7.62]

You know sad to say but better he shot up the work place with a handgun instead of flying a F-18 into a building.

[WillBrink]

They claim shooter purchased the guns legally. Via the ATF:

"An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa is prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing a firearm or ammunition unless the alien falls within one of the exceptions provided in 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(2), such as: a valid hunting license or permit, admitted for lawful hunting or sporting purposes, certain official representatives of a foreign government, or a foreign law enforcement officer of a friendly foreign government entering the United States on official law enforcement business."

Did he get himself a hunting license? Lookphole? Smells wrong to me but:

PENSACOLA, Fla. — The handgun used by a Saudi aviation trainee to kill three people and wound eight others at Naval Air Station Pensacola was purchased lawfully in Florida, according to the FBI.

At a Sunday news conference, Rachel Rojas, special agent in charge of the Jacksonville Field Office, identified the weapon

used in the attack as a 9mm Glock 45 pistol and said the shooter "did purchase it legally and lawfully" through a process that was open to "not just him, but any foreign national."

Also, Rojas confirmed the gunman purchased the firearm in Florida, but declined to give specific details about when and where. She referred the public to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' website for additional information on the regulations that permit foreign nationals to buy guns on U.S soil.

'He just shot through the door':Injured airman describes Pensacola Navy base shooting

"That’s a federal loophole that he took advantage of," Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said. "I’m a big supporter of the Second Amendment, but the Second Amendment applies so that we, the American people, can keep and bear arms. It does not apply to Saudi Arabians."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...U5o-EOmVWUhBfM

[opngrnd]

I don't know if they are still there or not but 10 years ago when my kid graduated from OCS in Quantico if you knew where to look you could see Marines "in the shadows, leaning against trees etc" armed with M-4's. Made me feel pretty safe I must say

Graduations often have extra security.

[Sam]

They claim shooter purchased the guns legally. Via the ATF:

"An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa is prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing a firearm or ammunition unless the alien falls within one of the exceptions provided in 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(2), such as: a valid hunting license or permit, admitted for lawful hunting or sporting purposes, certain official representatives of a foreign government, or a foreign law enforcement officer of a friendly foreign government entering the United States on official law enforcement business."

Did he get himself a hunting license? Lookphole? Smells wrong to me but:

PENSACOLA, Fla. — The handgun used by a Saudi aviation trainee to kill three people and wound eight others at Naval Air Station Pensacola was purchased lawfully in Florida, according to the FBI.

At a Sunday news conference, Rachel Rojas, special agent in charge of the Jacksonville Field Office, identified the weapon

used in the attack as a 9mm Glock 45 pistol and said the shooter "did purchase it legally and lawfully" through a process that was open to "not just him, but any foreign national."

Also, Rojas confirmed the gunman purchased the firearm in Florida, but declined to give specific details about when and where. She referred the public to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' website for additional information on the regulations that permit foreign nationals to buy guns on U.S soil.


"That’s a federal loophole that he took advantage of," Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said. "I’m a big supporter of the Second Amendment, but the Second Amendment applies so that we, the American people, can keep and bear arms. It does not apply to Saudi Arabians."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...U5o-EOmVWUhBfM

I was thinking the same thing, how could a foreigner buy a gun legally?

[Grand58742]

Apparently got agitated because the instructor called him "Porn Stash."

I'm pretty sure that's not the only reason...

[Boy Scout]

Any further update between Pensacola and Pearl Harbor on the same day? With other nationals filming the event and a second shooting occurring at nearly the same time, I don't believe in coincidences. As was once mentioned, "I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet."

The wife and kids and I were at Pensacola for the Blue Angels and the aviation museum a couple years ago on vacation. It aggravates me to no end that one of our military installations, where we are "supposed" to be safe, was shot up, and could have easily occurred in such a target-rich environment. And I'd have to beat somebody to death with a metal stanchion because it was "unsafe" to have a cop with an off-duty gun in the crowd....

That being said, I go to the Search and Rescue Training Center at the Camp Atterbury JMTC in Indiana all the time in both my police car and my personal truck with my LEO creds and get waved in every time. Of course, if that were to happen there when the SEALs are training for NAS Crane, I feel sorry for the bad guys...

[jsbhike]

I don't think "clarifies" would be the right term, but the FAQ Will Brink shared points to this part of the 4473 I doubt many of us have reason to use.

Question 18.c. Exceptions to the Nonimmigrant Alien Prohibition and
Acceptable Documentation: An alien admitted to the United States under a
nonimmigrant visa is not prohibited from purchasing, receiving, or possessing a
firearm if the alien: (1) is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully
issued by the Federal Government, a State or local government, or an Indian
tribe federally recognized by the Bureau of Indian Affairs, which is valid and
unexpired; (2) was admitted to the United States for lawful hunting or sporting
purposes; (3) has received a waiver from the prohibition from the Attorney
General of the United States; (4) is an official representative of a foreign
government who is accredited to the United States Government or the
Government's mission to an international organization having its headquarters in the United States; (5) is an official representative of a foreign
government who is en route to or from another country to which that alien is
accredited; (6) is an official of a foreign government or a distinguished foreign
visitor who has been so designated by the Department of State; or (7) is a foreign
law enforcement officer of a friendly foreign government entering the United
States on official law enforcement business.

[WillBrink]

I was thinking the same thing, how could a foreigner buy a gun legally?

The "loophole" may be via a hunting license? That's what I'm gathering from the ATF info above if he did in fact purchase them legally as claimed.

[jsbhike]

The "loophole" may be via a hunting license? That's what I'm gathering from the ATF info above if he did in fact purchase them legally as claimed.

Could be, but I wonder about 18.c #3 since it got broke out as a separate item in the article and there is incentive to not release that info versus announcing a clerk at Fred's Fin & Fur hooked him up.

[Sam]

The "loophole" may be via a hunting license? That's what I'm gathering from the ATF info above if he did in fact purchase them legally as claimed.

The loop hole may be items (4) or (5) or (6), it looks like. So if a foreign citizen bought a gun in the US under one of those exceptions, can he/she take it back to her country?