Active shooter at Pearl and now Pensacola NAS - 12/6

[WillBrink]

Why does a military base, even a Navy base, have to wait until the locals arrive to engage an active shooter?! I'd thought they learned their lesson after Ft Hood.

[Grand58742]

Ending foreign military training because of an incident is the same as banning AR-15s because a lunatic shot up a school with a P226.

I'm not saying we should end it, but we certainly could rethink the nations we are allowing to come to our house and do it. Sorry, but I'm all about us first and if they want training, they bring our people over to their house to conduct it.

[rocketman]

Why does a military base, even an AF base, have to wait until the locals arrive to engage an active shooter?! I'd thought they learned their lesson after Ft Hood.

I don't know if they are still there or not but 10 years ago when my kid graduated from OCS in Quantico if you knew where to look you could see Marines "in the shadows, leaning against trees etc" armed with M-4's. Made me feel pretty safe I must say

[flenna]

https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendm...filmed-attack/

6 Saudis detained - 3 were filming the attack. Hmmm

The religion of peace doing what they do best.

[CAMagnussen]

Why does a military base, even an AF base, have to wait until the locals arrive to engage an active shooter?! I'd thought they learned their lesson after Ft Hood.

This was my very thought, Will. What the heck? NAS Pensacola, frankly, arguably, the most historic bases in the US Navy had *no* SP folks on duty? Nobody who could have rushed to the scene? I was speaking to a Navy Vet last night who said, "It's crazy, they've hired rent-a-cops to guard our bases." True? I don't know. But, I shit you not, back in the day there were plenty of USMC drill instructors running training there and they would have handled the situation. This so pisses me off.

They serious called in the local-yocal cops to handle this? WTF?

[rocketman]

This was my very thought, Will. What the heck? NAS Pensacola, frankly, arguably, the most historic bases in the US Navy had *no* SP folks on duty? Nobody who could have rushed to the scene? I was speaking to a Navy Vet last night who said, "It's crazy, they've hired rent-a-cops to guard our bases." True? I don't know. But, I shit you not, back in the day there were plenty of USMC drill instructors running training there and they would have handled the situation. This so pisses me off.

They serious called in the local-yocal cops to handle this? WTF?

Went thru the front gate at Marine Corps Air Station Cherry Point several times last weekend. There were always sharp Marine MP's at the gate each with an M-4. Very big difference from going aboard NAS P'cola.

[jsbhike]

Ending foreign military training because of an incident is the same as banning AR-15s because a lunatic shot up a school with a P226.

Foreign governments have an inalienable right to receive US military training?

[WillBrink]

This was my very thought, Will. What the heck? NAS Pensacola, frankly, arguably, the most historic bases in the US Navy had *no* SP folks on duty? Nobody who could have rushed to the scene? I was speaking to a Navy Vet last night who said, "It's crazy, they've hired rent-a-cops to guard our bases." True? I don't know. But, I shit you not, back in the day there were plenty of USMC drill instructors running training there and they would have handled the situation. This so pisses me off.

They serious called in the local-yocal cops to handle this? WTF?

Where my grandfather was a flight instructor WWII and where my mother was born.

[Business_Casual]

Foreign governments have an inalienable right to receive US military training?

I don’t follow your reasoning but I am happy to debate.

My point is that it is illogical to ban something based on unrelated bad actors. Primarily, murder, assault, discharging a firearm in public, ad astra is already illegal. Creating an additional category of illegality is not only illogical it is unproductive.

Your point, if I may, is that the 2nd is an inalienable right therefore the right to receive military training isn’t because Saudi. Or perhaps not.

[jsbhike]

I don’t follow your reasoning but I am happy to debate.

My point is that it is illogical to ban something based on unrelated bad actors. Primarily, murder, assault, discharging a firearm in public, ad astra is already illegal. Creating an additional category of illegality is not only illogical it is unproductive.

Your point, if I may, is that the 2nd is an inalienable right therefore the right to receive military training isn’t because Saudi. Or perhaps not.

The 2nd is supposed to be an inalienable right, although that isn't how it is handled by any means. Training foreign militaries simply isn't.

Somehow I doubt cutting Saudi Arabia off from training would be harming any good actors.