Shootout in Florida

[jpmuscle]

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[donlapalma]

That was some crazy chit. If I was in one of those cars I would be punching it and ramming other cars just to get out of there.

[26 Inf]

One of the problems with multi-jurisdictional response to an ongoing like this is communications - is everyone hearing everything. Another problem can be 'he's not from my agency, I don't need to stand by' etc.

This will be very, very, costly for LE.

[26 Inf]

When they start shooting at you? That would seem a pretty good indicator they're your targets no? If LE took the first shots, that's another issue.

Everyone of those officers shooting had a choice - they could have pretended not to hear the call, they could have laid back and not been up front, they could have sought cover and taken high probability shots, they could have held their fire.

The driver, and the citizens on the expressway, didn't have the luxury on choice.

You unass a patrol unit on a call with a rifle, hell, any kind of police equipment, and you are making the promise to the public that you know how to use the equipment correctly to protect.

[Firefly]

At some point they gotta run out of gas. This could have been a talk down.

Nope.

Had to play Heat.

Plus they had a bird in the air.

Nope. Had to play Heat.

[kerplode]

At some point they gotta run out of gas. This could have been a talk down.

Nope.

Had to play Heat.

Plus they had a bird in the air.

Nope. Had to play Heat.

Yup...Pretty much.

And now some poor UPS driver trying to live his life feed his family is in a bag and his kids gonna grow up without a dad.

The cops all went home safe, though, and they got to play with their Delta Force shit...so high fives and ass grabs all around I suppose.

[WillBrink]

Everyone of those officers shooting had a choice - they could have pretended not to hear the call, they could have laid back and not been up front, they could have sought cover and taken high probability shots, they could have held their fire.

The driver, and the citizens on the expressway, didn't have the luxury on choice.

You unass a patrol unit on a call with a rifle, hell, any kind of police equipment, and you are making the promise to the public that you know how to use the equipment correctly to protect.

I will be interested to read the details on the event once it's available to better understand how/why it unfolded as it did.

[tn1911]

I will be interested to read the details on the event once it's available to better understand how/why it unfolded as it did.

It’ll unfold like the supermajority of these dumpster fires do... cops ran with limited info, very little to completely uncoordinated response, immediately went in guns blazing.

Two innocents dead.

This unfolded live on CNN hard to not draw some conclusions based on what was a complete disaster of a response for the cops.

[flenna]

At some point they gotta run out of gas. This could have been a talk down.

Nope.

Had to play Heat.

Plus they had a bird in the air.

Nope. Had to play Heat.

But think of the cool war stories they can tell at the next choir practice.

[ABNAK]

They said on the radio this morning that it was the UPS driver's first day on the job. How f****d up is that?

Shit show all around on this one. Armed felons on the run with a hostage, snarled in heavy traffic. I will be the first to criticize cops if necessary, but I don't know which way to go on this one. F****d up situation.

During that same news snippet on the radio this morning they said "Four people were killed. No officers were injured". While it's great and all that no cops got hurt, two innocent people are dead.