VA Dems float prosecution, Nat. Guard deployment if police don't enforce gun control

[OH58D]

No.

The real threats are people not going to said rally.

I'm assuming your Location of OUTPOST 31 is not in Antarctica, but probably closer to the Commonwealth of Virginia? What are all these folks going to do who show up? Just mill around and wait for something to happen and just yell a lot and waive signs? Do you head over to the person with the loudest bullhorn, or just wander around? Are people coming armed who are outside of the Capitol grounds? You don't suppose that if there is the sound of any gunfire, the entire crowd will stampede and disburse?

I could see some organized groups with big signs herding their crowds to certain areas: III%-Over Here, ANTIFA- Over Here, Armed Crusaders for Christ- Over Here, Aryan Brotherhood- Over Here, NRA Over Here, Jewish Defense League- Over Here, African American Gun Association- Over Here, John Brown Gun Club- Over here, Armed Rambos of the Internet -Over Here.....New Mexico Cattlegrowers Association - ride over there.

If I was close by, I'd like to bring some of my crew and we could trailer our horses in and we'd make an impression on horseback. My teenage daughter does cowboy/cowgirl mounted shooting and several of our horses are used to running fast and maneuvering to the sound of gunfire.

[jpmuscle]

I'm assuming your Location of OUTPOST 31 is not in Antarctica, but probably closer to the Commonwealth of Virginia? What are all these folks going to do who show up? Just mill around and wait for something to happen and just yell a lot and waive signs? Do you head over to the person with the loudest bullhorn, or just wander around? Are people coming armed who are outside of the Capitol grounds? You don't suppose that if there is the sound of any gunfire, the entire crowd will stampede and disburse?

I could see some organized groups with big signs herding their crowds to certain areas: III%-Over Here, ANTIFA- Over Here, Armed Crusaders for Christ- Over Here, Aryan Brotherhood- Over Here, NRA Over Here, Jewish Defense League- Over Here, African American Gun Association- Over Here, John Brown Gun Club- Over here, Armed Rambos of the Internet -Over Here.....New Mexico Cattlegrowers Association - ride over there.

If I was close by, I'd like to bring some of my crew and we could trailer our horses in and we'd make an impression on horseback. My teenage daughter does cowboy/cowgirl mounted shooting and several of our horses are used to running fast and maneuvering to the sound of gunfire.

Hard to say. From everything I’ve seen and heard it’s going to be mixed bag. Folks from the groups you’ve mentioned, to folks who aren’t exactly on the up and up of politics but believe protesting for a cause believed in is a civic duty, to folks who just want to make trouble and smash in car windows and steal firearms.

I do not doubt there will be folks on both sides that want the shooting to start. I’ve met and have worked with plenty of shit bag LEOs that’d have no problem trading in uniform for a brown shirt. Likewise I’ve met plenty of folks who harbor total disdain for anything remotely resembling authority and so forth.

The point of my statement is that folks with the motivation, abilities, and half a brain aren’t going to show up to a massive public rally with huge surveillance apparatus in place.

I’m reasonably certain you understand why strategically there are better options to achieve certain goals.


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[jpmuscle]

Similarly I wouldn’t read much into whatever layout of fencing or corralling they’ve put into place. Speaking from experience whomever gets tapped to organize and put barriers in place is doing so with the basic of intentions and goals.


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[Alpha-17]

The more I think about the rally in VA tomorrow, the more I see it as a possible trap to collect all the real “threats” to Dem controlled gov’t and either arrest/detain them.

It also seems like they are going to restrict the number of people that can attend. I predict the crowd limits are equal to the number of people they think they can arrest/detain.

Once they are arrested, they can be “charged” with a crime and potentially loose their legal right to possess a firearm.

Lastly, I think they are worried that the number of people attending will exceed their ability to screen/search everyone.

I hope that that the 2A supporters evenly disperse their numbers both inside and outside of the “controlled” area. That way the personnel outside of the controlled area can properly “respond” to threats if they present themselves.

That would, without a doubt, spark a full-scale boogaloo. Mass arrests of people for attending a protest? Which in turn would cause those outside the wire (good lord, how that sounds) to attempt to resist the illegal mass arrests? Yeah, that's drawing people from all over, and I don't just mean in VA. Unless they really are trying to start a full-scale fight, that's the last thing I'd expect them to do. Targeting individuals and ring leaders, sure. Pics and video for future use, both legal and extralegal, sure. But not mass arrests.

No.

The real threats are people not going to said rally.


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Exactly.

True--some small local groups are on the stick, but as a larger nation-wide, field-wide community... well, as Heinz Guderian said, "You hit your enemy not with fingers but with a fist." We need to start developing plans so that when one of these things is tried locally, a Fire Mission can be called down from nationwide in reply. Just as the other team uses each and every one of these things as a testing lab for new tactics and then share their notes with other team members elsewhere afterward for the next battle, we need to do the same.

I'd say our side isn't completely asleep at the switch. The improvement in comms and coordination from the Whiskey Warrior standoff has been considerable. We'll have to see if the misinformation and jamming from the other side has increased proportionally or not, but we are learning. It would be great to have some of our "leaders" take a stand and pick up the reins of power here. Proper leadership and coordination would be great, but sadly, from the top down, the Rs don't seem to be interested in doing anything more than play political games. Maybe the much-vaunted Sheriffs and Chief LEOs of rural VA will get involved, but I've seen little indication of that compared to bottom-up planning.

[jsbhike]

Looks like the best plan would be to stay outside the fence. Be nice and polite, but not a door mat or a sacrifice.

[OH58D]

Hard to say. From everything I’ve seen and heard it’s going to be mixed bag. Folks from the groups you’ve mentioned, to folks who aren’t exactly on the up and up of politics but believe protesting for a cause believed in is a civic duty, to folks who just want to make trouble and smash in car windows and steal firearms.

I do not doubt there will be folks on both sides that want the shooting to start. I’ve met and have worked with plenty of shit bag LEOs that’d have no problem trading in uniform for a brown shirt. Likewise I’ve met plenty of folks who harbor total disdain for anything remotely resembling authority and so forth.

The point of my statement is that folks with the motivation, abilities, and half a brain aren’t going to show up to a massive public rally with huge surveillance apparatus in place.

I’m reasonably certain you understand why strategically there are better options to achieve certain goals.

I have been to plenty of political rallies over the years. The first was for Reagan in 1976. My Mom was Campaign Co-Chair for Reagan in New Mexico. The last big one I went to was in Albuquerque 2016 to see Donald Trump. Was waiting in the line outside the Convention Center when a 30 something Catholic Nun was hit in the head with a piece of broken concrete tossed by protesters. I was a couple of bodies behind her. We had already been pelted with drinks from the anarchist crowd. Other than that, went to a couple of Tea Party Rallies. Lots of folks from all ages and walks of life, including little kids.

I half expect this Virginia event to be a real shit show since you don't know who is showing up with what agenda. Not every gun owning American has your best interest in mind, nor are they the caliber of person you want to associate with.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Everyone should print our portraits of the founding fathers on 8.5 x11 and make a mask out of it to wear.

[Mozart]

https://youtu.be/YDX3dwpRFYs

A little up to date info on what to expect for those that are going.

Also, this man states that State Senator Bill DeSteph told him that the demoncrat politicians have fled the capital and will not be there tomorrow.

[Diamondback]

https://youtu.be/YDX3dwpRFYs

A little up to date info on what to expect for those that are going.

Also, this man states that State Senator Bill DeSteph told him that the demoncrat politicians have fled the capital and will not be there tomorrow.

Sounds like they either A. don't want to honor the traditional day of meeting with constituents or B. are teeing up a Reichstag Fire and throwing their GOP peers under the bus... could be C. both, though.

[26 Inf]

Virginia doesn't spend much on grounds around their capitol, do they?

If all the pro-2A folks showed up dressed like the attorney who made that film, it would defuse a lot of stereotypes.