VA Dems float prosecution, Nat. Guard deployment if police don't enforce gun control

Originally Posted by BoringGuy45

Here's a concern that I think could lead to the Democrats getting their "paramilitary wing" that eventually becomes the American SS, Revolutionary Guard, Internal Troops, etc. If the VA anti-gunners can't get enough cops and soldiers from the current roll, what's to say they don't form a new armed unit of leftist volunteers? Or even hire mercenaries? According to things I've read on social media, there ARE a lot of leftists who have declared their willingness to sign up to confiscate guns from the right. There's also groups like the Socialist Rifle Association, John Brown Gun Club, and others, as well as unaffiliated militant leftists, plus the cops and soldiers who are willing to enforce these laws. Such a thing is plausible: Enlistment open to anyone in the country who is willing, will pay better than the military or most law enforcement agencies, you will have full police powers and then some, you just need to swear an oath to the Virginia Democratic Party and be willing to kill or give your life for it.

Then that bell gets rung and it’s scorched earth.


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Originally Posted by yoni

Will I agree, status quo will seem great if we do go to a civil war.

I have been through 2 civil wars in my life, they all mirror our own civil war in the USA bloody as hell.

Civil wars have historically always been the bloodiest and often make other wars look mild in comparison. I think anyone like yourself has seen it/BTDT and or is a student of history, knows that's the last place we want to find ourselves, which is why the saber rattling and chest thumping stuff makes me un easy. But, if one has their back to the wall and the alternative is living as a subject or a slave? Well:


“Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

― Winston S. Churchill

Originally Posted by yoni

Wait are you saying in Tennessee, it is closer to 50%?

I know in the NE, it isn't high we would be lucky if 10% were pro Constitution and pro gun. But in the south, mid west and SE I was sure it was 90% based on my contacts with some of the places I have consulted with. But that was all like 10 years ago.

LE in the northeast, at least your rank and file cops, are often cut from the same cloth as cops elsewhere. Having been a cop in a northeast state and knowing many others in my current state, I'd still wager that the number is closer to 50%. I've not met many anti-gun cops, at least lower than the rank of lieutenant, but I can say that the high percentage of resistance up here among LE agencies...at the level where the agency itself is resisting...would be unheard of. Probably close to 0%.

The problem is that they hire based on a mercenary mindset. The advice police chiefs give to those seeking a law enforcement career is usually "apply anywhere and everywhere and take the first job you get." When you go for a panel interview, a good way to get your score dropped is to tell them that the reason for you wanting to be a police officer is to help the community or make a difference, or some variation of that. The officers will often counter with "Why don't you be a volunteer firefighter or EMT or something then?" They want to here that you're in it because it's an exciting and dynamic career and you don't like the idea of being behind a desk 9-5 M-F. In other words, they want people who's motivation is being in charge and needing an adrenaline rush, and doing the job, but not really giving a shit what the job is. Your "duty" is whatever they tell you it is.

Originally Posted by yoni

But can one side mobilize and strike a blow so grand that it will change the balance of power for at least 100 years.

The short answer is yes. It is, of course, a question of will.

Originally Posted by WillBrink

I can't speak to mil, but the largest poll done of sworn LEOs, find 90% are very pro 2A, not in favor of gun control etc:

https://www.policeone.com/police-pro...E5oH8N9pbN12A/

In the NE, my experience with LE would be lower, more like 50% as you mention, but the NE is well, the NE...

I'm often stunned by the number of mil who are for more gun control. In my circles, none are, but it's easy to find articles, posts etc by mil who support gin control, and that's damn scary.

My experience was in both Georgia and briefly in Tennessee. My Dept in Ga was a medium sized Dept near metro Atlanta and there solidly 50% of the officers were liberal who complained anytime they encountered someone lawfully carrying.

One cop I remember very well, just made shift supervisor and was backup to a call at a local eatery. Victim was legally armed but never displayed nor even implied he had a gun until we arrived. It was a non issue as far as I was concerned. But once he found out he gave that guy a verbal beating for “putting everyone’s lives in danger”...

He spent about 30 minutes trying to figure out how to arrest him for no other reason than he hand a gun.

Over reacting was commonplace, especially on traffic stops.

In Tennessee (Nashville) is was once standard practice if someone saw you with a gun and called 911 no matter what actually happened. You got a ticket for disorderly conduct. The chiefs reasoning was two simple lines in the law itself.

A person commits an offense who, in a public place causes public annoyance or alarm.

He said it was completely justified because someone felt threatened enough to call 911, hence the alarm.

And folks were being convicted until someone sued and got it all overturned and the state house amended the statute.

Originally Posted by yoni

Wait are you saying in Tennessee, it is closer to 50%?

I know in the NE, it isn't high we would be lucky if 10% were pro Constitution and pro gun. But in the south, mid west and SE I was sure it was 90% based on my contacts with some of the places I have consulted with. But that was all like 10 years ago.

Georgia, yes.

Tennessee... maybe, depending on where you are. Nashville or Memphis, yeah it’s a coin toss.

White county or Cumberland county... they’ll probably write you a ticket for not carrying something in a caliber that doesn’t start with the number 4

I hope if we have a civil war it will not be like an African civil war, with cannibalism.

I've never been through a war. There is always a lot of posting when this comes up from people who have, "You dont want a war... " etc.....

Question. How many of those people have been in a Gulag or even been to Auschwitz, Bergen Belsen etc....? I've read Solzhenitsyn and others, I've been to Auschwitz.

I'll take war, even Civil War over The Killing Fields. If you cannot clearly see that is where we are headed, you're wrong. So, for me, war, as terrible as it may be, is the only alternative.....

Originally Posted by yoni

I hope if we have a civil war it will not be like an African civil war, with cannibalism.

Good luck with that.

The next American civil war will be sarejevo x beruit x Sierra Leone squared.


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The war option is the only option that has any chance of restoring the republic. The government is not going to go after their own.