VA Dems float prosecution, Nat. Guard deployment if police don't enforce gun control

And this is exactly why empires fail. Governments get too big, too oppressive, too corrupt, too self serving, too controlling, too etc. We are already over the hump and sliding down the slippery slope. There’s no voting your way out of it.

When you have people demanding that the government invest in solving personal problems you government intrusion.

Originally Posted by BoringGuy45

Eventually, the Constitution is going to be (and sort of already is) treated like the Pirate's Code in Pirates of the Caribbean: More like "guidelines and suggestions" than actual rules. As has been pointed out, there's already enough soldiers and cops who are either leftists, mercenary types ("I'm just following orders"), or are more worried about their pension than the Constitution. The fact is, they could eventually just ban guns completely, and when the judges and the people say, "But the 2nd Amendment says..." they'll reply, "Okay, print out a copy of the 2nd Amendment, tape it to your chest, and see if it stops the bullets of the of the soldiers coming to kill you and take your guns." They've hinted at this kind of thing a lot, letting us know that our freedom comes not from the Constitution, but from their good graces, which they could revoke at any time.

But talking about crucifixions and wood-chippers is out of line?


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Originally Posted by tn1911

You keep saying 90%... and people like myself who have been in American LE before and those currently serving are telling you that number is way high, its closer to 50%

I feel that number will go even lower than 50% depending on what happens.

How pro-gun are LEOs going to be if someone does something stupid and things get violent? A stereotypical neck beard shows up from out of state, sweaty and out of breath from actually wearing the plates he bought and causes some sort of violent incident involving LE. Regardless of which side escalated it, the majority of the force may end up viewing every still armed pro-2A protester as a cause for not going home at the end of shift.

Coupled with orders to confiscate/disarm and decisions can get pretty easy after that.

Originally Posted by StovePipe_Jammer

I feel that number will go even lower than 50% depending on what happens.

How pro-gun are LEOs going to be if someone does something stupid and things get violent? A stereotypical neck beard shows up from out of state, sweaty and out of breath from actually wearing the plates he bought and causes some sort of violent incident involving LE. Regardless of which side escalated it, the majority of the force may end up viewing every still armed pro-2A protester as a cause for not going home at the end of shift.

Coupled with orders to confiscate/disarm and decisions can get pretty easy after that.

This.

Peacefully resist until there's a need for violence.

But there's too many interwebz commandos who would cause trouble if they got the chance.

Originally Posted by StovePipe_Jammer

I feel that number will go even lower than 50% depending on what happens.

How pro-gun are LEOs going to be if someone does something stupid and things get violent? A stereotypical neck beard shows up from out of state, sweaty and out of breath from actually wearing the plates he bought and causes some sort of violent incident involving LE. Regardless of which side escalated it, the majority of the force may end up viewing every still armed pro-2A protester as a cause for not going home at the end of shift.

Coupled with orders to confiscate/disarm and decisions can get pretty easy after that.

That will depend on who shows up and makes which side the lesser of 2 evils. If too many sovereign citizens, anti-LE ultra libertarians, and white supremacist elements start calling the shots with all this, law enforcement is going to start defecting. There are a lot of people on the far right who would be no less willing to fight alongside a cop than an Arab would be to fight alongside an Israeli.

Originally Posted by BoringGuy45

That will depend on who shows up and makes which side the lesser of 2 evils. If too many sovereign citizens, anti-LE ultra libertarians, and white supremacist elements start calling the shots with all this, law enforcement is going to start defecting. There are a lot of people on the far right who would be no less willing to fight alongside a cop than an Arab would be to fight alongside an Israeli.

Degenerate fringe groups do not and are not representative of the 2A cause. While they may show up, it’s far more likely that the 2A supporters will be showing much more discipline and intelligence than the counter lobbyists. If anything stupid happens I predict it will be from the other side or a from a false flag plant.

Guys just tell them it’s against the Constitution and it will all stop.

Originally Posted by jpmuscle

But talking about crucifixions and wood-chippers is out of line?


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Yes. Nooses and firing squads though? Acceptable.

Originally Posted by prepare

Degenerate fringe groups do not and are not representative of the 2A cause. While they may show up, it’s far more likely that the 2A supporters will be showing much more discipline and intelligence than the counter lobbyists. If anything stupid happens I predict it will be from the other side or a from a false flag plant.

I'm not saying fringe elements will hijack the cause. Simply that it's one of the pitfall that the pro-2A side needs to watch out for. Fringe groups thrive on chaos, and if they don't try and hijack the cause, they'll try and torpedo it and then takeover the remnants to form an extremist movement. It is, for lack of a better word, "good" that the VA liberals are doing things this way. They aren't stirring up fringe elements here. They are stirring up not only the moderate, law abiding gun owners, but the local governments as well. It's also answering the question "What do you need an AR-15 for?" and shows that it's not just the weapon of militia nuts and school shooters. It also casts gun owners as, shall we say, the "victims" here, which is good for emotional edge whenever this goes to the SC.

Look man. If shit tops off, there WILL be crucifixions and ear necklaces. Once it’s all over, and if both of us are still alive, then you have every right to make a formal written complaint and go through the proper channels and sue me. And we will settle it in court like gentlemen.

But let us hope we never get to that point.

And firing squads? That’s a waste of ammo. I doubt when the boogaloo hits that Federal or Wolf will be pumping out 5.56 in shifts.

Be real here.

Originally Posted by BoringGuy45

That will depend on who shows up and makes which side the lesser of 2 evils. If too many sovereign citizens, anti-LE ultra libertarians, and white supremacist elements start calling the shots with all this, law enforcement is going to start defecting. There are a lot of people on the far right who would be no less willing to fight alongside a cop than an Arab would be to fight alongside an Israeli.

Originally Posted by prepare

Degenerate fringe groups do not and are not representative of the 2A cause. While they may show up, it’s far more likely that the 2A supporters will be showing much more discipline and intelligence than the counter lobbyists. If anything stupid happens I predict it will be from the other side or a from a false flag plant.

You could have a resurrected George Washington leading platoons of cloned Thomas Jeffersons and the MSM would focus on how racist slave holders are back to put blacks in slavery and Jews in concentration camps...

No matter who it is on the 2A side, they will be portrayed as the most vile white supremacists and low-lives by the MSM.

Don't expect any help from any LEO. After a few LEOs are removed from office and a couple of gun grabbers get whacked, They will all fall in line and the best you'll get out of 10-15% of them is some intel on raids and informants. You might get an old shooting buddy to wave you through a checkpoint. That is just the way it is.

I think we are still a long way away from that and if Trump wins and we get RBG out and replaced, you could finally get a 5-4 for some real gun rights.