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    Weed is becoming legal in Illinois. What gun Owners Need to know.

    Weed is becoming legal in Illinois. Here is what gun owners need to know.


    https://www.gunrights4illinois.com/b...s-in-illinois/

    The Illinois State Polcie have made conflicting and ambiguous statements. Will they or won't they revoke gun rights?

    Illinois State Police say they “will not revoke Firearm’s Owner’s Identification Cards based solely on a person’s legal use of adult use cannabis.”

    “Pursuant to both State and Federal law, a person who is addicted to or a habitual user of narcotics is not permitted to possess or use firearms,” the department said in a statement. “Accordingly, the ISP will revoke FOID cards where it is demonstrated that an individual is addicted to or is a habitual user of cannabis. The ISP would also revoke or deny the FOID cards of those who violate certain provisions of the Cannabis Regulation and Tax Act.”
    -Thomas

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    MJ use makes you a prohibited person under Federal Law. Does not matter what ISP says or does or does not do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    MJ use makes you a prohibited person under Federal Law. Does not matter what ISP says or does or does not do.
    This is exactly what the Illinois State Rifle Association has disseminated.
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    If you're a gun owner, don't use weed. Until federal law changes, that's all you need to know.
    What if this whole crusade's a charade?
    And behind it all there's a price to be paid
    For the blood which we dine
    Justified in the name of the holy and the divine…

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    Quote Originally Posted by T2C View Post
    This is exactly what the Illinois State Rifle Association has disseminated.
    ???


    "Exactly" Isn't the word I would use. Their email said it was ok to smoke and state rights trump federal laws. That was my take-away from their email. Ed made some good points but he absolutely made some points I disagree with.

    For example, they also said that the dispenser can not store buyer information and that is false. The cannabis tax act specifically allows the dispenser to store buyer information with consent from the buyer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T2C View Post
    This is exactly what the Illinois State Rifle Association has disseminated.
    From the ISRA (I underlined the parts I disagree with) :

    Cannabis and Your Second Amendment Rights - December 31, 2019


    In the New Year there will be a bevy of new laws facing Illinois Citizens. One new law that Gun Owners should pay close attention to is PA 101-0027, the Cannabis Regulation and Tax Act. This new law allows Illinois citizens over twenty-one the ability to purchase and consume cannabis recreationally. Illinois citizens have had the ability to purchase and consume cannabis for medical reasons for five years. There is a difference between the purchase and use of Medical Cannabis and Recreational Cannabis as it relates to your lawful rights to own and possess a firearm in Illinois.

    The following information is an attempt to dispel any myths or bad information that we have seen shared on various social media platforms as it relates to the cannabis law in Illinois. Our job at ISRA is to help you navigate laws that could have an adverse effect on your 2nd amendment rights. This information should not be used as legal advice. We at ISRA do not take an opinion for or against this new cannabis law. If you want to smoke cannabis recreationally (marijuana, weed, reefer) come January 1, 2020 that is your right. If you don’t want to smoke cannabis, that is your right as well. We live in the United States of America which gives you a 1st amendment right to your opinion either way. Our mission here at ISRA is to protect your 2nd Amendment Rights.

    Let’s start at the beginning. When you purchase a firearm, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives (ATF) requires you to fill out an ATF E-Form 4473, the Firearm Transactions Record. Specifically, you must attest to the following:
    e. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance? Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.

    Ok, so this seems pretty straight forward. According to Federal Law if you smoke cannabis you are an “unlawful user” of a controlled substance. Is this the end of the conversation? No. The new Cannabis Regulation and Tax Act in Illinois specifically states in law that a person who uses recreational cannabis is NOT an “unlawful user” of a controlled substance. From Public Act 101-0593 (Trailer to Cannabis Act):
    (410 ILCS 705/1-7 new) Sec. 1-7. Lawful user and lawful products. For the purposes of this Act and to clarify the legislative findings on the lawful use of cannabis, a person shall not be considered an unlawful user or addicted to narcotics solely as a result of his or her possession or use of cannabis or cannabis paraphernalia in accordance with this Act.

    If you believe in State’s rights, then according to Illinois law, you are not considered an unlawful user if you use or possess cannabis. As we all know in Illinois, we have a real special hoop to jump through to exercise the right to own and possess a firearm called the Firearm Owners Identification Card (FOID).

    The FOID Card is administered by the Illinois State Police (ISP). We at ISRA have confirmed that the Illinois State Police will “not revoke Firearm Owners' Identification cards based solely on a person’s legal use of adult-use cannabis.”

    Another tidbit we have seen on certain social media platforms is that cannabis dispensaries will capture your personal information when you purchase their product and in turn that information will be made available to ISP. The fear that once this information is available to ISP then it can be used by the Federal Government to deny you the purchase of a firearm. From PA 101-0027, the Cannabis Regulation and Tax Act:
    Section 10-20. Identification; false identification; penalty. (a) To protect personal privacy, the Department of Financial and Professional Regulation shall not require a purchaser to provide a dispensing organization with personal information other than government-issued identification to determine the purchaser's age, and a dispensing organization shall not obtain and record personal information about a purchaser without the purchaser's consent. A dispensing organization shall use an electronic reader or electronic scanning device to scan a purchaser's government-issued identification, if applicable, to determine the purchaser's age and the validity of the identification. Any identifying or personal information of a purchaser obtained or received in accordance with this Section shall not be retained, used, shared or disclosed for any purpose except as authorized by this Act.

    Clearly under Illinois law, no cannabis dispensary can share your personal information, unless you authorize them, to anyone or any entity. This includes the Illinois State Police (ISP) and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives (ATF).

    Lastly, we should make you aware of the differences between the purchase/use of recreational cannabis versus the purchase/use of medical cannabis as it relates to your 2nd Amendment rights. To use medical cannabis there are procedures and forms that must be filled out to get a Medical Cannabis Card that authorizes you to be in the program. While Illinois treats cannabis as a prescribed drug, the Federal Government considers cannabis to be a Schedule I narcotic. As such, the Federal Government could gain access to your records as a Medical Cannabis User and therefore jeopardize your right to purchase a firearm from a Federal Firearm License (FFL). If you intend to use cannabis and own a firearm taking the recreational cannabis route has less potential, detrimental effects on your 2nd Amendment rights than the medical cannabis route.

    I realize this has been a long email with lots of information to digest. I hope this helped. Once again, this information is intended to educate you on the cannabis laws and not intended to be used as legal advice. We will be following the roll-out of this new Recreational Cannabis Law for any negative effects on our 2nd Amendment rights.

    Regards,
    Ed Sullivan, ISRA Lobbyist
    Former Illinois State Legislator




    Why I disagree?

    The state can say what ever they want about being an unlawful user, and at a state level you won't be considered an unlawful user. However the 4473 is a federal document, and at a federal level you are an unlawful user. I think this is bad advise which should have been clarified.

    I believe in states rights. I don't think the federal government does though.


    The ISRA states the ISP will not revoke someones FOID card base solely on the lawful use of marijuana. While this is true, it is only part of the statement released by the ISP. The other part states the ISP will revoke the FOID card of marijuana addicts as well as those who violate provisions of the cannabis tax act. Conveniently the ISP did not state how they will determine whom is an addict, nor did the ISP state what provisions of the tax act would be triggers for revocation.



    I don't think we read the same email t2c.
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    My take on the e-mail was that even though it would not be a violation of state law, it would be a violation of federal law to use cannabis.

    If a person indicates they are not an unlawful user of cannabis when they complete a Form 4473, I believe that would be a false statement and prosecutable under federal law.

    Regardless of what has been disseminated I'll bet the information is shared.

    When teaching firearm courses, where I strongly encourage students become members of the ISRA, I am going to recommend to my students that they do not use cannabis if they do not want to endanger their ability to purchase and possess a firearm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaKoncepts View Post
    Their email said it was ok to smoke and state rights trump federal laws. That was my take-away from their email.
    That's the way it should be, but that's not the way the feds/Congress sees it. Until that changes, be prepared to become a prohibited person if you smoke.

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    This is so simple and so many people ver think it.

    Pot is federally illegal. Many of the gun laws we adhere to are federal.

    Until pot is legal on a federal level you can't smoke pot and do the gun thing.

    I have had an ATF officer tell me that after no smoking pot for a year you can legally buy a gun again, per case law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    MJ use makes you a prohibited person under Federal Law. Does not matter what ISP says or does or does not do.
    Doesn't matter unless your worried just about BATFE arresting you or you are buying from a dealer on a 4473. For example here in Alaska felons can own firearms after 10 years have passed. Illegally federally but the Feds don't have the manpower to enforce the law on a large scale. Marijuana is legal here as well and many MJ users are gun owners.
    Last edited by Alaskapopo; 01-17-20 at 01:36.
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