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    Quote Originally Posted by Wake27 View Post
    I have no idea to be honest. I go back and forth on it. I swapped the standard BCG with the weak staking that was included for one of their premium BCGs and I've never had any type of issue with the rifle, at all. I have 945 rounds through it, mixture of steel cased and brass and I don't think I've cleaned it. So by all means, it may be completely good to go for thousands of more rounds. But I have KAC and BCMs that would all be in the chute first and personally, I don't think I would ever fully trust it just because I know it isn't built and checked to the same standards.
    And thats a fair answer sir. My LMT is first out also. But I tell you, right now wouldnt bother me a bit to rely on the PSA. More testing to come this years as funds allow, which is exactly why I bought two in the first place...one is an election year investment, & the other to see if "PSA'S ARE JUNK" is true.
    So far it aint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kylebaker24 View Post
    Also was looking at aero uppers seem to be good qaulity
    OP, Aero makes the receivers for Ballistic Advantage (same corporation owns both companies), and I assume most of the other parts are the shared. I “heard” that Aero barrels are sourced from Ballistic Advantage, which would make good sense.
    Overall, considering the volume of rifles produced, I have heard of fewer problems with Aero products, and I’d personally choose them over PSA. Their M4E1 lower is beautiful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.56Geo View Post
    Understand your audience...

    M4 Carbine.net is a group of mostly Military, LEO, firearms industry venders, that push there equipment hard.
    Understand that M4C is a website where anyone can make a profile, and the only qualification is not being stoopid enough to make an inappropriate screen name. As for me, I meet three of the four qualifiers that 5.56Geo threw out there. I'm also the president of a competitive shooting club, have been a match director for 5 years, hold the rank of Master with both USPSA and IDPA, and have been shooting competitively for 10 or so years.

    I see lots of PSA built uppers, most of them from the Freedom line. They work very well and are a good option for people who are on a budget, don't plan on using a magnified optic, and don't reload for accuracy. If you plan on doing the last two of those things, I'd recommend a different barrel maker because it has been my experience that PSA Freedom barrels are 2moa accurate even with quality ammo. The vast majority of AR problems that I see are maintenance related, and the ones that are not are almost all from brands that existed back in the 90s.

    Also understand that when people offer advice, some of them are speaking from their own personal experience, some of them are repeating things they have read, and some of them are speculating on things that could possibly happen in the future. I don't say this to be passive aggressive, but there is a reason why almost every PSA thread on M4C gets locked.

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    I suppose, in fairness, I should add that my BCM carbine spring compressed (reduced length) substantially faster than a PSA spring with nearly equal round count. It was like 3/4” difference.

    EDITED. It’s all been said.
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    To add to my previous post, I reviewed my PSA premium upper a few years back when it hit approx 6k rounds. That review can be found here: (https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=489721 I still use the rifle to this day.

    I have also reviewed my PSA Freedom upper that had a stainless barrel at approx 4000-5000 rounds, showing its accuracy loss. That can be found here: https://thehighroad.org/index.php?th...#post-10426482 The non-barrel parts from that rifle are still in circulation in my current AR builds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JediGuy View Post
    Overall, considering the volume of rifles produced, I have heard of fewer problems with Aero products, and I’d personally choose them over PSA. Their M4E1 lower is beautiful.
    Comparitively, I would hope you heard of fewer problems with Aero rifles, since they made 1,490 rifles in 2017, compared to 28,562 for PSA.

    Here is a comparison of numbers from 2017 ATF reports:

    PSA: rifles manufactured: 28,562 misc. firearms manufactured: 128,529 pistols manufactured: 1,410

    Aero: rifles manufactured: 1,490 misc. firearms manufactured: 78,033 pistols manufactured: 2

    BCM: rifles manufactured: 6,467 misc. firearms manufactured: none reported pistols manufactured: 593

    https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/data-statistics

    Looking at the numbers PSA is more of a 'people's rifle' than other brands. You might also think that based on quantities ordered they are able to buy parts comparable in quality to other manufacturers at better prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Shooter View Post
    NOW, THAT SAID- as for the rifles that ARE built right, that HAVE been vetted...whats your opinion, & everyone elses here, on those specific rifles?
    A rifle that has been vetted, and works, has been vetted, and works. So, if you trust your gun, rock it. That said, spit happens, and is more likely to happen with rifles built to a lesser standard. For example a gas block screw, gas key screw, or receiver extension going unsat at an inopportune time.

    That said, I have a PSA upper and a spare PSA BCG that work acceptably. I put one of Clint’s gas tubes in the upper to correct the overgassing and added a Sionics BCG. It is roughly as accurate as a rack M4 or M16, and reliable. Its a fun rifle that I enjoy shooting, and I use it to maintain proficiency with irons. The spare BCG now has a Colt extractor spring, and floats around as a spare.

    Problems I found:
    1) like every other PSA barrel I have checked, its not really a 5.56 chamber.
    2) the crush washer was installed backwards.
    3) the reason it was installed backwards is that the thread shoulder has a weird false shoulder on it, also like every PSA barrel I have checked
    4) horribly overgassed, even with .223 ammo
    5) no dimples for the set screw gas block, and of course not pinned
    6) BCG not made to TDP, but has adequate staking.
    7) incorrectly marked 5.56

    OP, I would recommend looking at companies like Colt, SOLGW, Sionics, and BCM for your budget upper needs. Aero/BA might also be a good option, but my only experience has been with stripped uppers and barrels. Sionics is pretty inexpensive. I’ve been unfracking a buddy’s budget gun for him lately, and honestly, its been a frustrating experience, and he would be best served by obtaining a different rifle. Don’t buy garbage.
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    I’m not the owner of a well-respected small manufacturer or anyone else suggesting that PSA gets their supply as blemishes from OEM’s. And, I never thought that really made sense when it was suggested. Economy of scale is a thing.

    As I recall, Aero is or was the OEM for other companies, as well, though I doubt that would get their numbers to PSA levels
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    Last edited by JediGuy; 01-01-20 at 22:27.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1168 View Post
    A rifle that has been vetted, and works, has been vetted, and works. So, if you trust your gun, rock it. That said, spit happens, and is more likely to happen with rifles built to a lesser standard. For example a gas block screw, gas key screw, or receiver extension going unsat at an inopportune time.

    That said, I have a PSA upper and a spare PSA BCG that work acceptably. I put one of Clint’s gas tubes in the upper to correct the overgassing and added a Sionics BCG. It is roughly as accurate as a rack M4 or M16, and reliable. Its a fun rifle that I enjoy shooting, and I use it to maintain proficiency with irons. The spare BCG now has a Colt extractor spring, and floats around as a spare.

    Problems I found:
    1) like every other PSA barrel I have checked, its not really a 5.56 chamber.
    2) the crush washer was installed backwards.
    3) the reason it was installed backwards is that the thread shoulder has a weird false shoulder on it, also like every PSA barrel I have checked
    4) horribly overgassed, even with .223 ammo
    5) no dimples for the set screw gas block, and of course not pinned
    6) BCG not made to TDP, but has adequate staking.
    7) incorrectly marked 5.56

    OP, I would recommend looking at companies like Colt, SOLGW, Sionics, and BCM for your budget upper needs. Aero/BA might also be a good option, but my only experience has been with stripped uppers and barrels. Sionics is pretty inexpensive. I’ve been unfracking a buddy’s budget gun for him lately, and honestly, its been a frustrating experience, and he would be best served by obtaining a different rifle. Don’t buy garbage.
    I do appreciate that 1168- I too have thought "ok, its been gtg this far, but is it getting near time for problems to show up". My testing will continue.
    " Be NOT ye afraid of them..
    Remember the Lord, for He is GREAT & TERRIBLE!
    FIGHT for your bretheren..for your sons & for your daughters,
    for your wives & for your households"!

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