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    I hate to say it. I know a few people who thinks psa is “just as good” as the top tier brands. I tried to explain the difference and they just would not accept it. I own 2 psa rifles. They function fine soo far. And i pound the snot out of them. Nothing broke of them so far. Each have a few thousand rounds thru them. But i would not trust my life to one. The fact that people would scares the crap out of me.

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    I have bought a few PSA parts over the years before I learned the reasons other companies charge more. The premium bcg had a chrome lining smooth as a gravel road, functioned fine. One of their D&H mags showed up smooshed, they replaced it no hassle.

    Still have a premium upper with FN marked chrome lined middy barrel back when they could be had for under $300. Barrel nut was hand tight and front sight clearly canted. PSA fixed it in short time. I beat the snot out of that one. Steady diet of crap ammo. Not so much as a hiccup. It is by no means over gassed or anything. Running it with a sprinco blue and H2 buffer. Runs just as smooth as my more premium guns with the same parts. PSA is a good company that has come a long way in short time. Good folks there.

    All said though, when I hear a bump in the night, the PSA is not my go to. It is a beater for cheaper training is all. I trust it, with the FN barrel and good components around it. But when it really matters I want a gun that has been thoroughly checked by the manufacturer with proper tools and training, not me. I grab a BCM, Centurion or Sionics depending on the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbins290 View Post
    I hate to say it. I know a few people who thinks psa is “just as good” as the top tier brands. I tried to explain the difference and they just would not accept it. I own 2 psa rifles. They function fine soo far. And i pound the snot out of them. Nothing broke of them so far. Each have a few thousand rounds thru them. But i would not trust my life to one. The fact that people would scares the crap out of me.
    Why? After 'pounding the snot out of them for a 'few thousand' rounds? Because the cool kids don't?

    Use the analogy I posit to explain to your friends: 'Compare PSA to the Ford Escape, it will get you there reliably, but some folks like the amenities of the Explorer or Expedition.'
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    Why? Because the bolt is not mpi stamped and unknown steel, questionable gas rings, questionable springs and questionable firing pin. There comes a peace of mind when i grab something of “better quality”. I see psa as range use only as they come stock.

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    I’d agree with most of what’s been posted here. If you buy their higher end parts, check everything, and run 1000 rounds through it without issues, I’d consider it good to go. Would I pull one out of the box and jump on a plane for a 6 month tour of Iraq? Hell no.

    I’ve got an FN marked 14.5” CHF mid length gas upper with a pinned FSB. Those are installed at the factory by FN according to the video they (FN) produced, and it seems widely accepted that their premium BCG’s are Toolcrafts. I’ve had zero issues with it in over a case of ammo, save for two American Eagle XM193 rounds that wouldn’t fire. The first one I tossed, the second one wouldn’t fire in a buddy’s DDM4, so I’m comfortable considering both of those bad primers.

    FWIW, my rifle has never jammed, his has a couple times. Does that mean PSA rifles are better than Daniel Defense? Of course not, but it does mean my particular rifle is as reliable as his, so far. It’s a 1.5-2 MOA gun and somewhat overgassed, but that seems to be the same for the CHF BCM’s an DD’s also. A Springco blue and H2 buffer gave me a good ejection pattern and smoothed out the recoil impulse.

    I also have an 8.5” .300 Blackout upper from them that had looser gas block set screws than I liked, and the barrel wasn’t dimpled. I dimpled it, tightened and staked them, I haven’t found anything else wrong with it. I put a premium BCG in it, and both of them have BCM charging handles as the PSA one felt like it could bend on an air soft rifle.

    PSA also makes a lot of questionable products, so you have to watch what you’re buying and not assume anything is the better stuff. The post above is an example, my bolts are stamped MPI.

    It’s absurd to say they only buy seconds, do you think FN has a high enough reject percentage to keep up with the amount of uppers they sell? More than likely, the QC standards are relaxed though. One company might want every single barrel checked and within 0.002” of spec. PSA might say 0.004” is good enough, or they trust that they are buying good stuff and only need every 10th barrel measured. This would allow more “problems” to slip through, but it doesn’t mean they are all sub par quality.

    I’m happy with both of them, but if I did it over again I’d probably go with BCM, just for peace of mind. My $0.02 is if you buy one of the PSA uppers or rifles that comes with quality parts, you’ve got a pile of quality parts. It may or may not be assembled correctly. If you buy one that comes with junk parts, you’ve got a pile of junk parts. Go through and check stuff, they aren’t race engines.

    The fact of the matter is, if your rifle has fired 1-2k rounds without a hiccup, the likelihood that it will in the 10 rounds or so you may fire in a home defense or active shooter scenario is exceedingly slim. Most of us aren’t going into combat with our personal AR’s, even the LE guys.
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    I am with most everyone here: I am going to shoot the snot out of the one I bought on the range, and if it breaks, it breaks. Send it back and hopefully PSA addresses the issue. With a KAC RAS it was $500 USD. If I have to grab something in the middle of the night, it will be a LMT or Colt in the same configuration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbins290 View Post
    I hate to say it. I know a few people who thinks psa is “just as good” as the top tier brands. I tried to explain the difference and they just would not accept it. I own 2 psa rifles. They function fine soo far. And i pound the snot out of them. Nothing broke of them so far. Each have a few thousand rounds thru them. But i would not trust my life to one. The fact that people would scares the crap out of me.
    How many malfunctions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by prepare View Post
    Its a mistake to lump all PSA owners into a category of duche-bags or all KAC owners into a category of operators.
    I absolutely, and 100% agree. I know there are plenty of good people using PSA, and no doubt plenty of douches using KAC. There is a large portion of marketing that falls into play due to lack of knowledge. In the end, I wish we could all afford to stack our closets and safes with high end AR15s and primo Ammo. We can’t, and we don’t, but I wish we could.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RUTGERS95 View Post
    How many malfunctions?
    So far, none. Even with steel cased tula.

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    OP, If you haven’t bought anything yet,

    https://clydearmory.com/colt-le6920-oem1.html

    If you buy a colt oem, pm me a shipping address and I’ll send you a set of colt hand guards and a trigger guard. No sense buying a rifle of questionable quality.
    “I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” – Thomas Jefferson.

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