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    Psa uppers

    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    Comparitively, I would hope you heard of fewer problems with Aero rifles, since they made 1,490 rifles in 2017, compared to 28,562 for PSA.

    Here is a comparison of numbers from 2017 ATF reports:

    PSA: rifles manufactured: 28,562 misc. firearms manufactured: 128,529 pistols manufactured: 1,410

    Aero: rifles manufactured: 1,490 misc. firearms manufactured: 78,033 pistols manufactured: 2

    BCM: rifles manufactured: 6,467 misc. firearms manufactured: none reported pistols manufactured: 593

    https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/data-statistics

    Looking at the numbers PSA is more of a 'people's rifle' than other brands. You might also think that based on quantities ordered they are able to buy parts comparable in quality to other manufacturers at better prices.
    26Inf is correct...it’s numbers like these that are the reason we don’t use anecdotal evidence as a quality measure. The DPMO between these brands would be a better measure, and/or any non-conformance reports and the outcome of those NCR’s (Disposition).

    But I’d be shocked if that was ever available to anyone outside the respective companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prepare View Post
    One of the best things about PSA is what they've done to make the platform a common use item. They've intentionally flooded the market with AR's by selling a decent product at prices a lot of people will pay. From what I understand they've also invested in improving their manufacturing, assembly, and QC as they continue to grow.
    Yes, and good on them for it. Although I have never bought an upper or complete rifle I have done lots of other business with them. PSA has always done me right and they seem to be an honest company.
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    As some here know, I have a wide array of good quality ARs. I usually put my money on stuff I know will work. That said, here is what I just built with a PSA upper (first complete PSA upper I have bought). For months and months, I have had a McKay Enterprises lower that I built up sitting on my shelf trying to figure out what to do with it. Since it was in a basic configuration, my first thought was to do a simple M4 type build. As time went one, I deliberated about changing it up and doing a more of an upgraded build. After Christmas, I made a decision to just do a simple and inexpensive M4 type build and bought an Aero Precision phosphate M16 BCG and ordered a PSA 16" Carbine Length 5.56 NATO 1:7 M4 Nitride Freedom Upper (No BCG or CH). I also ordered a Primary Arms Micro SLx and absolute co-witness mount. I did utilize a charging handle and MAGPUL MBUS sight I already had laying around. Here is the finished product. I need to get it to the range next week to see how well it performs. I have no doubt that it will perform well.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade04 View Post


    I like that. Despite my insistence on PSA not being a good “first/only” carbine choice, I do like what they are doing in many ways. Only reason I sold my PSA 16” Premium mid with FSB was to consolidate a bit. It was cool as something to hand a friend going to the range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistoGators View Post
    Their QC is way too inconsistent. I have a PSA complete pistol that's been a fine range toy (my "primary" is a Colt 6920 with an Aimpoint PRO). But I also ordered a middy upper years ago though and it came with a carbine length gas tube. They also got busted for using rejected parts from FN.


    Here you go. Under $800 and checks all the boxes on the chart like BCM.

    https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/855319005099

    Or get a BCM upper on an Aero lower. Goes over budget though.

    Aero Precision middy rifle with Magpul rear site is usually around $750 too. Not as good as BCM and Spikes but I'd still trust them over PSA.

    https://www.aeroprecisionusa.com/aer...complete-rifle

    I will say though that I'm happy for PSA's success in selling to the masses because the more AR owners there are in this country, the better.
    Please show proof where they were using fn rejects. I am not a big PSA fan but do Sprite they make the platform available to almost anyone. The owners brother (I believe part owner) is the industry rep on TOS and said this is not true.

    Do I believe the FN barrels are made to the same QA/QC as a Centurion arms fn barrel.... No, but I don't believe they are rejects

    I guess that they do runs for PSA with less QA/QC, run the equipment faster, and change out tooling less. As you can see from the manufacturing numbers above PSA produces a lot of guns and uppers. They are probably buying in really high volumes to get lower pricing. That is how the pricing is lower, not rejects

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    You’ll get the “I’ve priced at the best deal FN/given barrel maker will make at the highest volume, they can’t be getting these as firsts” line. People have thrown out the rejects allegation for a long time, but no one has been willing, to my knowledge, to actually provide any evidence whatsoever beyond pricing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by everready73 View Post
    Please show proof where they were using fn rejects. I am not a big PSA fan but do Sprite they make the platform available to almost anyone. The owners brother (I believe part owner) is the industry rep on TOS and said this is not true.

    Do I believe the FN barrels are made to the same QA/QC as a Centurion arms fn barrel.... No, but I don't believe they are rejects

    I guess that they do runs for PSA with less QA/QC, run the equipment faster, and change out tooling less. As you can see from the manufacturing numbers above PSA produces a lot of guns and uppers. They are probably buying in really high volumes to get lower pricing. That is how the pricing is lower, not rejects
    Oh, someone on TOS denied it? Well I guess it's not true then.

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    And the winner is... AR's for the masses. My first SBR upper is a BCM 12.5 but most of the time now I'm flogging a PSA 10.5 with my FM1 can on it. Reason I shoot the S### out of it. When I finished the can I wasn't a great can. It really sucked on 16 in barreled upper then I stuck it on the PSA it started showing better results, plus it's a heavy long pig. Now I shoot it like it's made for a MG to the point of burning off finish. When it starts to keyhole or baffle strikes I'll replace the barrel. So far way north of 2 k in ammo.
    For my out the door rifle I'd grab it with BCM 12.5 and SiCo can or BCM light weight mid n SiCo can or 6920 n can Due to weight.
    For a lot of people I know on a tight budget I've got them to start with a PSA and stripped lower, most have moved to second and third rifles. Some that's all they "want" or need, they might shoot 60 rnds a year.😣
    One he's fully addicted to AR's now, and his daughter is and wants suppressor (s) for the win of a pro gun person who's is now a medical professional. It started with a PSA upper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistoGators View Post
    Oh, someone on TOS denied it? Well I guess it's not true then.
    It was one of the owners of PSA on TOS that said it waynt true, not a random. He is pretty transparent about things. Like I said, I am not running PSA for a main gun, but if people are going to throw out allegations like that they should be able to back them up

    I am willing to bet what I posted is true regarding the FN barrels they use.. prove me wrong

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