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I’ve seen the “seconds” thing around the internet. I’ve not seen any evidence either way. I don’t think it makes any sense, really. They sell a lot of barrels, uppers, and rifles. They can’t all be rejects. I think it makes more sense that FN is making them to PSA’s specs and standards.
But, just conjecture on my part.
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I know a company that has FN do their barrels to a certain spec, it is not a spec used by anyone else I'm aware of. They had a batch of barrels arrive which they had to reject and send back. PSA later resold those barrels with the original company name only partially abrasive blasted off.
The owner of the company is a friend, I trust him 100%, and I was sent one of the pics of the resold barrel with markings.
That doesn't mean everything from PSA is a second, not by any stretch. However, it makes me laugh at the people who say all the barrels coming out of a place are the same. Especially as I know two companies that have had FN make their barrels to different spec than others.
For the PSA fanatics, I can understand the desire to wish everything was the same quality and price be damned, but it doesn't work that way in real life. Nor does it change there appears to be more complaints regarding the quality of items PSA sells than most other companies put together.
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1. disapproving : a person exhibiting excessive enthusiasm and intense uncritical devotion toward some controversial matter (as in religion or politics)
2. a person who is extremely enthusiastic about and devoted to some interest or activity
3. marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion
A lot of people are like this because their lower tier rifle meets or exceeds their their lower tier knowledge and capability behind the gun. It will in fact do all they are capable of doing with it-sling lead, and they think thats all there is to it.
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I agree. And how many of these people are buying a $500 PSA thinking they are getting a KAC equivalent rifle? My guess is none or very few. Is PSA advertising their $500 rifles as KAC equivalents? Not that I have seen. PSA is the SKS of the AR world- putting a large quantity of arms into the hands of lots of citizens. Which is good for the freedom of the masses.
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To argue with a person who renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. ~ Thomas Paine
Its a mistake to lump all PSA owners into a category of duche-bags or all KAC owners into a category of operators. For many buying and building is as much about learning a working knowledge of not just shooting but also a working knowledge of what goes into quality guns, identifying who the quality manufactures, brands are and who has quality QC and assembly processes, who to source quality components from, establishing trusted sources of information, learning how to verify your information, learning what sets top tier components apart from lower tier stuff, learning to separate whats proven from the latest marketing hotness, and also just hands on learning from your own experience.
My interest in the platform has evolved over time and with an open mind I've been eager to learn all I can. I've bought new complete top tier rifles, as well as Colt, AP, DD, BCM, SLGW, Sionics, and one PSA Kit. I've built more rifles than I've bought complete and learned a lot more in doing so. I have no where near the expertise that some here have but I have learned a lot and enjoyed the process. One of the biggest impediments has been all the industry secrets and being and outsider, but if you hang around long enough eventually critical information gets fleshed out.
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I would doubt that. I am sure that many people are aware that spending $500 for an AR is not going to net the same quality and performance as one that cost considerably more, but they are satisfied to have what they have as it is better than not having one. Not everyone has the budget or desire to spend more to buy a more expensive AR and those are the types of people that are the likes to which PSA, Del-Ton, Bushmaster, DPMS, and a few others cater. Many have bought ARs of this type and have had them perform pretty well, some not. That is the gamble when one buys a cheaper priced AR. Some realize this, some do not and they find out later on when it may have been too late. Many PSA ARs give individuals a decent bang for the money and some of their ARs give them a lot of bang for the money. It all depends on what they buy and for how much.
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