Practical draw and shoot drills from concealement?

[Ron3]

I searched back five years and didn't see a thread dedicated to this. They are kind of scattered about.

I'm thinking about the "meat and potatoes" / "80%" drills. Not engaging 5 targets, Not firing 10 rounds per drill, probably not even reloads.

What time should we be going for to draw from hands at sides from concealment to hole in an A zone from 3 yds or 10 or 25, etc.?

2 seconds at 10 yds? 2.5? 3.0? Cold?

I want to find or make a drill for this.

The Church shooting in White Settlement has me thinking about this. Not for the same scenario, mind you, but in any situation when a shot (or 2, or 5) needs to be fired quickly from a pistol that starts concealed on your person.

I want to put this down on paper for myself with the guns I carry so I can reference it and track my progress.

[Defaultmp3]

Maybe something like this: https://sentinelconcepts.com/wp-cont...15RdWarmUp.pdf

Or this: https://firearmrack.com/no-fail-shot-drill/

Note that these are more assessments than practice. For practice, I would always go for at least 2 shots; it's way too easy to cheat the grip in one-shot draws.

[Ron3]

Maybe something like this: https://sentinelconcepts.com/wp-cont...15RdWarmUp.pdf

Or this: https://firearmrack.com/no-fail-shot-drill/

Note that these are more assessments than practice. For practice, I would always go for at least 2 shots; it's way too easy to cheat the grip in one-shot draws.

Yea, I like it!

[gaijin]

A simple test, certainly valid in view of recent events:

https://youtu.be/1ULvOB6LYm8

[MegademiC]

This should be trained dry and verified with live fire.
2 seconds is considered a base standard, but you should be closer to 1.5 seconds at close targets.
Testing should be draw and 1 shot on target, and bill drills from concealment to keep your grip honest.

Videotape yourself (slow motion with a cellphone) and analyze to see where you are giving up time. You can post them here if you need help seeing where to improve.

[JediGuy]

A simple test, certainly valid in view of recent events:

https://youtu.be/1ULvOB6LYm8

Excellent video, thanks for sharing. We discussed this last night, in fact.

[gaijin]

The long accepted maximum time for a draw from concealment, with COM hit, from 10 yds+- is 1.5 seconds.
In agreement with Megademic.

[chrisp2493]

Here’s a really good drill, especially considering the recent events

https://youtu.be/6L8TNhE3Lac


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[Ron3]

This should get you going. I just prop my phone on the berm or range bag next to me, or in front of me.
Video paired with a shot timer has helped my shooting immensely and is highly recommended.

Video: https://youtu.be/esedCuYTQPc

Whoa! I didnt know the camera had those extra functions. I've only used "picture" and "video".

Thanks!

[Ron3]

Did some pocket draw work today.

Went as expected. Starting with my hand on my pocket gun is the fastest draw. Starting with my hands at my sides basically takes twice as long and would be much worse with movement.

In order of speed based on my playing around drawing concealed compact / subcompact guns: Hand on pocket gun, then belt draw, then going for a pocket gun.

I'll bet it's the same for most people.

Also, there wasnt much difference in draw w/2 shots on target between .38 and milder .357 magnums (Golden Saber and Critical Duty) In the LCR. However the 180 gr Federal SJHP did add about .2 to .3 seconds consistently. Those guys kick pretty hard.

Speed winner was the Beretta Jetfire, if starting with it in hand cocked in pocket. 1.0 s sometimes less for 2 good hits at 3 yds. 1.2s at 7 yds, 1.7 s at 15 yds.