Did Iran shoot down a airliner?

[mack7.62]

My money is yes, by mistake.

"Iran Refuses to Hand over Black Boxes from Crashed Ukrainian Passenger Jet"

https://www.breitbart.com/national-s...passenger-jet/

They also say pilot was not talking to control tower before crash.

[Averageman]

I would imagine in the confusion of yesterday evening that is exactly what happened.

[SomeOtherGuy]

It sure is looking like it, but too early to be sure.

So far it looks like Iran has managed to kill ~120 of their own citizens plus a similar number of non-US foreigners in thrashing about after Soleimani's death.

[Hmac]

It's suspicious that they won't hand over the black boxes. OTOH, it's not like the Eastern European countries have a particularly impressive aviation safety record.

[OH58D]

It was on fire going down. Could be a Russian made BUK SA-11 Gadfly or SA-17 Grizzly which uses a shrapnel filled warhead that detonates close to the target. Lots of fire because the aircraft was fully fueled for a longer flight. Maybe Iranian Air Defense folks were on edge expecting some kind of US attack and shot it down by mistake?

[Diamondback]

Redstate coverage: https://www.redstate.com/brandon_mor...ner-to-boeing/

[sgtrock82]

Well.... At least this time is wasnt the USS Vincennes.

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[Grand58742]

I think what's really suspicious is from the BB article:

Iranian investigators said the pilot of the plane was unable to communicate with Tehran air traffic controllers in the final minutes before the crash, but they did not explain why not. On Wednesday morning, Iran’s civil aviation authority refused to give the black boxes to Boeing, which would normally analyze the data, or to any American agency.

The pilots in here can correct me, but shouldn't one of the first things an aircrew does is radio in an inflight emergency to alert emergency responders?

Seems real fishy.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

True or not, we need to be pushing that narrative on “Veilbook” in Iran and the ME to make them look incompetent.



ETA:

Sorry, didn't realize it was a Boeing plane... 50:50 on the plane or Iranians causing it.

[just a scout]

I’m betting it’s a plane that should’ve been grounded and they kept flying it till it broke catastrophically. Unfortunately that happened during takeoff.

Not everything needs to be enemy action. Murphy does have a vote too.


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