firefly fans rejoice? Maybe!

[WillBrink]

Yep. Of course I feel that way about most things. I number of sequels or remakes that are as good or better than the original I can probably count on one hand. Aliens and The Thing are the only ones off the top of my head.

The remake of 3:10 to Yuma was exceptional, but of course I had never heard to 3:10 yo Yuma and when I discovered the original it was a unremarkable western from 1957 that most people had never heard of. The other remake was Man on Fire and when I discovered their was an original film done in the 1980s with Christopher Walken and Joe Pesci I wondered how I ever missed it, then I saw it and it was painfully disappointing. Given the subject matter and the stars it should have been right up there with Die Hard and Taken.

With those noted exceptions, Hollywood generally destroys material and just ramps up the car chases and explosions, with CGI they don't even put in the time. Sci fi or any concept that is in any way profound gets totally lost. While it didn't suck, did Blade Runner 2049 truly add anything? It was more of an homage to the original that managed to not completely destroy the concept. But I don't think we got anything new.

Firefly was one of those rare sci fi concepts that sorta worked. On paper it sounded stupid, civil war / frontier drama in space. It's almost like somebody found the original Star Trek "Wagon Train to the Stars" pitch and decided to actually make it. But because there was actual story writing and some decent talent, it worked. And much like the original Star Trek you could tell when they seemed to be running out of new material and that the show was about to run it's course.

And they should simply leave it at that.

Ditto. Follow ups and re boots suck 95% of the time and they should find new concepts vs ruining old ones. Once in a while it does not suck, but that's a very rare event indeed.On 2049, multiple viewings I have come to really like and appreciate that movie, but no, didn't really add anything per se.

Some of the Star Trek stuff worked because it was a whole different time and generation and crew.

[Whiskey_Bravo]

I mean, considering that Firefly isn't nearly as good as most people remember it being, any modern take on it, be it a remake or sequel, will likely get tons of hate. Regardless of how well or how poorly it was done, I'd expect Star Wars levels of disappointment and complaints, simply because it can't live up to the nostalgia of the original.

You shut your whore mouth....... It is every bit as good as I remember it. But then again, I probably watch it about once a year so my memory of it is not of the original watching.


Agreed, a remake would have about a 98.8% chance of not being well received.

[Firefly]

Honestly, a contemporary step back into the lore would be kinda depressing.

Like at the end of T2, there was an uncertain future that could have gone either way but left you with the option to be optimistic.

We don’t know where Mal and Company ended up after he told the Operative that he’d never understand.

I think it would be naive to think one negative livestream would destroy the Alliance’s power. It would be no different than Tiannemen Square or something. A few Alliance honchos might get executed and there might be a crackdown but for the inner worlds that were comfortable with their TV and Hot Pockets; they wouldn’t care about Reavers as they don’t go out that far into space.

Mal and Zoe were former Confederate soldiers. They and the crew likely died unceremoniously as time went on. The Alliance got stricter. It got harder to get around and bootleg and eventually they got blown outta the sky.

I don’t want to see that.

I prefer the open ended semi-optimism.

It’s like watching Aliens for years then going to see Alien 3 the first time. All that fighting just for Hicks and Newt to eat it. Nope.

To me, Hicks and Newt went home and lived a life.

Like Terminator Girl Power. Seeing 12 yo John Connor catch a shotgun in the chest made me hate Terminator.

So no reboots, remakes, sequels, whatever.

People forget the initial concept of a remake. It was taking a decent idea and adding onto it with sufficiently advanced technology.

The Fly was classic but also hokey. Even by 50s standards it was hokey. It was Drive In camp. Updating it 30 years with body horror and a grim approach was healthy.

The Thing from the 50s had a great idea but it was 50s guys fighting an asparagus. The 80s Thing captured the paranoia of the source material. It felt bleak and cold with revolutionary practical effects.

Same with the Blob. It was a makeout movie or something you dropped the kids off to see in the 50s. The 80s Blob was more sinister. Kids got killed gruesomely and in those days it was subversive to have Army guys show up only to be the bad guys. People have no idea how in that time frame it was shocking and unnerving to see such a thing. Now it’s a cliche. If Army guys show up in hummers and start barking orders then they are not here to help. They are the bad guys. If there’s a zombie outbreak and Army dudes show up and kick ass and save the day then THAT is the Twist.

Like Die Hard 2, you think Major James “Kunta Kinte” Evans is gonna tighten up these terrorists. For years you seen him set JJ straight on Good Times. These are like Delta Force. They are gonna help Bruce Willis. NOPE. They are IN on it! That was bigly surprising.

But now, IMO anything worth remaking has been remade. The idea of reboots is dumb. And I almost see sequels as pointless if it wasn’t a preplanned story.

[Alpha-17]

You shut your whore mouth....... It is every bit as good as I remember it. But then again, I probably watch it about once a year so my memory of it is not of the original watching.


Agreed, a remake would have about a 98.8% chance of not being well received.

Haha, I figured I'd catch flak for my comment. I enjoyed Firefly, but I'll admit to never understanding why people thought it was amazeballs.

[Whiskey_Bravo]

Haha, I figured I'd catch flak for my comment. I enjoyed Firefly, but I'll admit to never understanding why people thought it was amazeballs.

We will just have to agree that I am obviously right and have far superior taste

[Firefly]

Haha, I figured I'd catch flak for my comment. I enjoyed Firefly, but I'll admit to never understanding why people thought it was amazeballs.

You are either really young or really old.

To fully appreciate the show, you had to have been in the zeitgeist of when it was made. It was a sleeper mishmash of Space Confederates on the run, Anime, and a subversive take on the usual Sci Fi of the era. There was Battlestar, Farscape, Andromeda, and lots of flash in the pan on Sci Fi Channel.

But this came on Primetime Fox and didn’t try to be anything too heady. People talked like regular people, the guns were based in reality, and you had people wearing a mishmash of clothes from cargo pants and a T shirt to Western attire to Asian influenced clothing.

And it came out when it was pretty subversive to question the government.

Someone watching it today might not like some of the effects or think its kinda weird. But at the time the CGI was really good.

It was not near as popular then as it is now. It was this thing college kids told each other to watch. The girl in the suitcase was straight lifted from Outlaw Star.

You had to have been there to fully take it all in.

[SteyrAUG]

Honestly, a contemporary step back into the lore would be kinda depressing.

Like at the end of T2, there was an uncertain future that could have gone either way but left you with the option to be optimistic.

We don’t know where Mal and Company ended up after he told the Operative that he’d never understand.

I think it would be naive to think one negative livestream would destroy the Alliance’s power. It would be no different than Tiannemen Square or something. A few Alliance honchos might get executed and there might be a crackdown but for the inner worlds that were comfortable with their TV and Hot Pockets; they wouldn’t care about Reavers as they don’t go out that far into space.

Mal and Zoe were former Confederate soldiers. They and the crew likely died unceremoniously as time went on. The Alliance got stricter. It got harder to get around and bootleg and eventually they got blown outta the sky.

I don’t want to see that.

I prefer the open ended semi-optimism.

It’s like watching Aliens for years then going to see Alien 3 the first time. All that fighting just for Hicks and Newt to eat it. Nope.

To me, Hicks and Newt went home and lived a life.

Like Terminator Girl Power. Seeing 12 yo John Connor catch a shotgun in the chest made me hate Terminator.

So no reboots, remakes, sequels, whatever.

People forget the initial concept of a remake. It was taking a decent idea and adding onto it with sufficiently advanced technology.

The Fly was classic but also hokey. Even by 50s standards it was hokey. It was Drive In camp. Updating it 30 years with body horror and a grim approach was healthy.

The Thing from the 50s had a great idea but it was 50s guys fighting an asparagus. The 80s Thing captured the paranoia of the source material. It felt bleak and cold with revolutionary practical effects.

Same with the Blob. It was a makeout movie or something you dropped the kids off to see in the 50s. The 80s Blob was more sinister. Kids got killed gruesomely and in those days it was subversive to have Army guys show up only to be the bad guys. People have no idea how in that time frame it was shocking and unnerving to see such a thing. Now it’s a cliche. If Army guys show up in hummers and start barking orders then they are not here to help. They are the bad guys. If there’s a zombie outbreak and Army dudes show up and kick ass and save the day then THAT is the Twist.

Like Die Hard 2, you think Major James “Kunta Kinte” Evans is gonna tighten up these terrorists. For years you seen him set JJ straight on Good Times. These are like Delta Force. They are gonna help Bruce Willis. NOPE. They are IN on it! That was bigly surprising.

But now, IMO anything worth remaking has been remade. The idea of reboots is dumb. And I almost see sequels as pointless if it wasn’t a preplanned story.

Solid assessment. I forgot about The Fly and The Blob, both were solid remakes. However the original Fly was also pretty harsh in 1958 with the man / fly hybrid screaming "don't eat me." That was a time when films like Forbidden Planet were scaring the crap out of everyone, I watched it as a kid and didn't get what was so scary, but it worked on those kids back in 1956, apparently so did "The Thing from Another World", especially the "watch the skies" ending.

[SteyrAUG]

You are either really young or really old.

To fully appreciate the show, you had to have been in the zeitgeist of when it was made. It was a sleeper mishmash of Space Confederates on the run, Anime, and a subversive take on the usual Sci Fi of the era. There was Battlestar, Farscape, Andromeda, and lots of flash in the pan on Sci Fi Channel.

But this came on Primetime Fox and didn’t try to be anything too heady. People talked like regular people, the guns were based in reality, and you had people wearing a mishmash of clothes from cargo pants and a T shirt to Western attire to Asian influenced clothing.

And it came out when it was pretty subversive to question the government.

Someone watching it today might not like some of the effects or think its kinda weird. But at the time the CGI was really good.

It was not near as popular then as it is now. It was this thing college kids told each other to watch. The girl in the suitcase was straight lifted from Outlaw Star.

You had to have been there to fully take it all in.

LOL. There was more Chinese in FF than some Shaw Bros. films, but I thought it was an interesting twist, kind of like the heavy Japanese influence on US culture in Blade Runner.

And yeah, I completely missed the original run. I discovered it on DVD because people on certain forums wouldn't stop talking about it. I discovered Justified the same way.

[StovePipe_Jammer]

LOL. There was more Chinese in FF than some Shaw Bros. films, but I thought it was an interesting twist, kind of like the heavy Japanese influence on US culture in Blade Runner.

And yeah, I completely missed the original run. I discovered it on DVD because people on certain forums wouldn't stop talking about it. I discovered Justified the same way.

I forget where I had read it but the large amount of Chinese phrases in the show kind of makes sense. The idea being that if we had achieved regular interstellar travel and spread out across the stars, there is going to be more Chinese people doing the spreading based on their population alone. Kind of an interesting thought.

[Firefly]

LOL. There was more Chinese in FF than some Shaw Bros. films, but I thought it was an interesting twist, kind of like the heavy Japanese influence on US culture in Blade Runner.

And yeah, I completely missed the original run. I discovered it on DVD because people on certain forums wouldn't stop talking about it. I discovered Justified the same way.

How many times this week have you said: “Sayonara, adios, honcho, etc etc”?

To me that would be where Chinese was in such use that it became like how we use borrow words. Remember the Alliance was based off Red China gaining supremacy. I thought it was clever.

I mean look at how popular anime is now. You got black dudes rapping and tossing in Japanese words that everyone under 40 knows.

Did you, at age 20, ever honestly hear the words “hentai, hikikomori, bukkake, tekoki, paizuri”?

Given how you did Japanese karate I am sure you heard Sensei, Senpai, Kohai, Nani, Shogu”

But I’m sure a lotta people know those words without googling and if you don’t then DONT GOOGLE them

I mean if you are enough of a weeb then you can actually talk to another weeb in pidgin Japanese and be understood even if you would get looked at as a weirdo in Japan. They may understand you but you would be looked at as kinda weird/childish/perverse.

So it was sorta visionary.