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    Daniel Defense Pivot Pin Hole honed out: Problem or not?

    Last spring I got a Daniel Defense complete rifle, new. I started freaking out because I noticed what appeared to be some odd wear in the pivot pin/takedown pin holes. DD customer service told me (and others who asked them about the same thing) that they hone out the holes a bit after anodizing to ensure a good mating of the upper and lower receivers. At the time I was afraid of the honed off anodizing causing premature wear of the pivot pin holes, where the steel pins would eventually "egg out" the holes to the point of making both receivers unusable.

    Some here raised a stink, saying my concerns were valid, while most others said it was nothing. I ended up selling it off. Here I am a year later, thinking about how nice that DD was other than that one thing... and now I'm wondering if I really was freaking out over nothing. (I'd also like to say that DD's customer service was exemplary and makes me want to try them again).

    Would this concern you at all from a longevity standpoint? Here are some pics I took back then.

    https://imgur.com/a/wQJbga4

    Apologies in advance about the pictures.

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    I’ve had three DD uppers and they all had this. No issues whatsoever with any of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlander Systems View Post
    I’ve had three DD uppers and they all had this. No issues whatsoever with any of them.
    How many rounds through each of them? I'm more concerned about long term durability, like the pin holes egging out at high round counts.

    ETA: I've gotten to inspect several DD's since last year and noticed that they all had the pin holes like this. That's part of what has me considering that it's not an issue and is normal. I'd really like to convince myself it's not a potential problem at high round counts, because other than that one thing it was the closest to perfect AR I've had.
    Last edited by SouthwestAviator; 01-14-20 at 21:41.

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    I think that it's a complete non issue.

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    First I've heard and I own a DD. Clearly not a problem here, though it isn't what I'd call a high round count gun; your definition isn't defined.

    If they do this across their line-up and have been for any length of time, I'd wager issues would be known by now.

    Real question is, why do you think you're going to get any different answers now than you did a year ago? It's the same question. Sounds like the real issue is you miss the rifle and want to replace it. I'd do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthwestAviator View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Outlander Systems View Post
    I’ve had three DD uppers and they all had this. No issues whatsoever with any of them.
    How many rounds through each of them? I'm more concerned about long term durability, like the pin holes egging out at high round counts.

    ETA: I've gotten to inspect several DD's since last year and noticed that they all had the pin holes like this. That's part of what has me considering that it's not an issue and is normal. I'd really like to convince myself it's not a potential problem at high round counts, because other than that one thing it was the closest to perfect AR I've had.
    Yes, it is a non-issue.

    Remember anodizing goes in to the aluminum as well as being on the surface. So, even if they removed all of the black color, there is still hard anodizing.

    It many ways it is better, as now you have a hole that is exactly the correct size, rather than "about the right size".
    Last edited by lysander; 01-15-20 at 18:54.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lysander View Post
    Yes, it is a non-issue.

    Remember anodizing goes in to the aluminum as well as being on the surface. So, even if they removed all of the black color, there is still hard anodizing.

    It many ways it is better, as now you have a hole that is exactly the correct size, rather than "about the right size".
    Alright, I'm starting to feel a bit better about it now. As long as there's no way this could cause premature wear, I don't care and would like to purchase another DD.
    I kind of wish they didn't do it, I'd be fine with some wiggle between the upper and lower, but as long as it can't negatively affect the rifle's service life it's no big deal.

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    Lol I should show you one of my lowers. Looks like someone took a drill to it and I’ve never even though about it being an issue. Has probably 20,000 trouble free rounds through it.

    Poor DD customer service. Can’t believe you called them over that.

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