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    What's funny is German law enforcement see's nothing wrong with your average LEO having a MP5, but they are aghast at the thought that US LEOs actually use 12 ga. shotguns, which Europeans find barbaric.

    Thankfully not all hunters and target shooters are fudds, but honestly I know people who own AR-15s that think nobody should have an AK-47 (and yes I'm talking semi autos only). I also know people with CCWs who think lorcins, ravens, jennings and the like should be banned and they buy into that Saturday Night Special nonsense. I know people who own M1 Garands that think nobody should be allowed to own a SKS because gang members use them.

    There is no end to divisiveness once you engage in it. Logic seldom factors and it comes down to you either respect peoples rights, even if you find how they use them distasteful or you don't actually respect people rights. This means if we really believe in free speech and free expression that means we have to listen to idiots in the KKK, ACP and ANP spout their stupidity so long as they don't turn actions into words.

    As for guns, I think any non prohibited person should be able to walk into a gun store and buy an M4 / M16 for about the same price as a LE6920. I know that even though it could be used to kill people, a couple gallons of gasoline, door chains and locks can kill far more people than anyone carrying a full auto M4 and 150 rounds in loaded mags.

    If ever I decided to kill everyone in the building, I could pull it off with $50. Thankfully most of the unstable people get their inspiration from video games or whatever and they don't rack up the serious body counts.
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    Here is where I stand: there are people who should exercise their 2A right to NOT own a firearm.
    Unfortunately, there are a small number of gun owners, who fall into that category.

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    Fudds! Straight up Mf'ing Fudds!!! Years ago I was on another gun forum and.....I think I've said it before but... one guy straight up said he was ok with banning everything as long as they don't touch his wood and steel guns. Bolt actions, 1911s, revolvers and classic shotguns. Basically anything from 50s on down. I told him that that Mauser K98 is an implement of war used to kill millions and is a deadly sniper rifle capable of delivering long range death! Crickets! Got his head so far up his ass he can't see that anything can be made to sound evil, deadly and no one needs it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    What's funny is German law enforcement see's nothing wrong with your average LEO having a MP5, but they are aghast at the thought that US LEOs actually use 12 ga. shotguns, which Europeans find barbaric.

    Thankfully not all hunters and target shooters are fudds, but honestly I know people who own AR-15s that think nobody should have an AK-47 (and yes I'm talking semi autos only). I also know people with CCWs who think lorcins, ravens, jennings and the like should be banned and they buy into that Saturday Night Special nonsense. I know people who own M1 Garands that think nobody should be allowed to own a SKS because gang members use them.

    There is no end to divisiveness once you engage in it. Logic seldom factors and it comes down to you either respect peoples rights, even if you find how they use them distasteful or you don't actually respect people rights. This means if we really believe in free speech and free expression that means we have to listen to idiots in the KKK, ACP and ANP spout their stupidity so long as they don't turn actions into words.

    As for guns, I think any non prohibited person should be able to walk into a gun store and buy an M4 / M16 for about the same price as a LE6920. I know that even though it could be used to kill people, a couple gallons of gasoline, door chains and locks can kill far more people than anyone carrying a full auto M4 and 150 rounds in loaded mags.

    If ever I decided to kill everyone in the building, I could pull it off with $50. Thankfully most of the unstable people get their inspiration from video games or whatever and they don't rack up the serious body counts.
    I'm surprised they didn't mandate .32ACP for their MP5's. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    My least favorite of them all, the military Fudd. It's astounding how many in the mil or ex mil are Fudd's and for gun control. None that I know personally, but it's common to see. Guy I was talking to did 25 years in the mil.

    What the actual % of mil are Fudd's I don't know, but that they exist at all blow my mind.

    Maybe some of the mil members can explain that one to me.
    Just got in an argument with one of those ex-military Fudds at work today. I was talking about the CO officer that had the red flag law against him after a justified on-duty shooting. The red flag case was filed by the mother of the 19 year old the LEO shot after being attacked with a knife. This co-worker states, “It was only a knife, all he had to do was keep backing up and taze him.” Then went on to say “I don’t care if a cop looses his gun rights if it just saves one life.” Here’s the kicker, he and I are both LEOS, and he is even a firearms instructor and on our version of a SWAT team!

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    Quote Originally Posted by john armond View Post
    Just got in an argument with one of those ex-military Fudds at work today. I was talking about the CO officer that had the red flag law against him after a justified on-duty shooting. The red flag case was filed by the mother of the 19 year old the LEO shot after being attacked with a knife. This co-worker states, “It was only a knife, all he had to do was keep backing up and taze him.” Then went on to say “I don’t care if a cop looses his gun rights if it just saves one life.” Here’s the kicker, he and I are both LEOS, and he is even a firearms instructor and on our version of a SWAT team!
    How clueless can some people be? The human body is simply NOT BUILT to move backwards at high speed--by the time you've given three feet of ground in retreat he's advanced at least six.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john armond View Post
    Just got in an argument with one of those ex-military Fudds at work today. I was talking about the CO officer that had the red flag law against him after a justified on-duty shooting. The red flag case was filed by the mother of the 19 year old the LEO shot after being attacked with a knife. This co-worker states, “It was only a knife, all he had to do was keep backing up and taze him.” Then went on to say “I don’t care if a cop looses his gun rights if it just saves one life.” Here’s the kicker, he and I are both LEOS, and he is even a firearms instructor and on our version of a SWAT team!
    While I don't support the lack of due process in general, having it applied like this may ultimately be a good thing since some officers (your co-worker excluded) may get off the fence (or full support) since they have skin in the game instead of an exemption.

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    He will never get it, doesn’t seem to believe the general public should be able to have guns, and probably thinks mine should be taken away because I disagree with him. Unfortunately I see at least some aspect of this in a bunch of people at work. Most of them, like this one, are rabid anti Trump people. Of course none of them complain about their retirement investments and pay rising way more than when the last guy was in office.
    Last edited by john armond; 01-16-20 at 18:46.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john armond View Post
    He will never get it, and unfortunately I see this attitude a lot at work.
    Even if HE gets Red Flagged? Frankly, he sounds a little over-eager to kick in somebody's door without caring whose, and maybe just a bit mentally unstable too... See What I Did There?

    Good on you for trying to keep the house clean and in order!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Even if HE gets Red Flagged? Frankly, he sounds a little over-eager to kick in somebody's door without caring whose, and maybe just a bit mentally unstable too... See What I Did There?

    Good on you for trying to keep the house clean and in order!
    I was in the middle of editing TMI out of my post when you posted this, but yes, I definitely see what you did.

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