New KAHLES K18i

[Biggy]

Looks like they are coming out with a new 1-8x scope. 30mm tube, 19.5oz weight, 11.8" length, *2nd* ? focal plane, two reticle styles and *extra* bright illumination. More info on the scope at the link. For comparision, the new Vortex Gen 3 Razor HD 1-10x scope is 1.7" inch shorter but 2 ounces heavier and it will probably be less money. I think the new Vortex Gen 3 1-10x will still be the one to beat in a 8 x or 10x scope this year. https://www.kahles.at/us/competition...c6dfdfa9d505fd

[RHINOWSO]

*2nd* ? focal plane

Believe it or not 2nd focal plane is more than just fine for many applications and shooter.

I know everyone fashions themselves as the coolieo sniper taking that 758 yard shot with their 16" 5.56 and 1-8x24 FFP optic.

But the reality is that isn't the case or need for a ton of people.

[noonesshowmonkey]

Believe it or not 2nd focal plane is more than just fine for many applications and shooter.

I know everyone fashions themselves as the coolieo sniper taking that 758 yard shot with their 16" 5.56 and 1-8x24 FFP optic.

But the reality is that isn't the case or need for a ton of people.

As these LPVOs stretch towards MPVOs, more and more folks are putting them on 7.62x51mm and 6.5 Creedmoor AR-10s. Those are definitely guns where an FFP reticle might come in handy. As the L transitions to an M, I am going to guess that the windage / partial christmas tree style reticle that the Vortex 1-10 uses is going to start showing up more and more.

[Biggy]

Believe it or not 2nd focal plane is more than just fine for many applications and shooter.

I know everyone fashions themselves as the coolieo sniper taking that 758 yard shot with their 16" 5.56 and 1-8x24 FFP optic.

But the reality is that isn't the case or need for a ton of people.

Good point, I agree, especially on SBR’s. For my shooting needs, 400 yds and in, my second focal plane K16i 1-6x has worked out great and I don’t find myself really needing anymore magnification, Also, not that it needs it, but I suspect at some point they may add the new Max Light function to the K16i scope.

[WS6]

As these LPVOs stretch towards MPVOs, more and more folks are putting them on 7.62x51mm and 6.5 Creedmoor AR-10s. Those are definitely guns where an FFP reticle might come in handy. As the L transitions to an M, I am going to guess that the windage / partial christmas tree style reticle that the Vortex 1-10 uses is going to start showing up more and more.

They already are MPVO's. The USMC used 10x optics for how long on their longboi's? 1-4x was a LPVO. 1-8? Solid mid-range.

[titsonritz]

No SM1 reticle, bummer. Dig my K16i

[noonesshowmonkey]

They already are MPVO's. The USMC used 10x optics for how long on their longboi's? 1-4x was a LPVO. 1-8? Solid mid-range.

Tell me again about how a 3-9 or 2-12 is directly comparable to a 1-6 or 1-8 designed to have near red dot quality at 1x.

If you could do that, the newer MPVOs that are coming out in the 1-6 to 1-10 range are old news, and I guess nobody should care. I'll retire my 1-6 for an old Hi-Lux 3-9. I am sure it'll be just as fast at 3x, with a brightly illuminated dot.

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[MadAngler1]

I really think they missed out by not building this on a 34 mm tube. I have not been impressed by any 1-8x optic with a 30 mm tube (namely Schmidt and Bender).

I was hoping Kahles would offer a 1-6x withe beefed up external turrets. I rather buy another 1-6x for another AR.

[patriot_man]

It's probably the same as the Z8i from Swaro. I honestly think the Swaro's are a better, feature-filled scope but the Kahles do usually come in at a lower price point.

My 1-8 Swaro's eye box is kinda tight

[PatrioticDisorder]

As much as I love my K16i with SM-1 reticle, which seemed like a no brainer over the Vortex Gen 2 (non E) razor several years ago, I think I’d much rather have a Gen3 1-10 Razor for like 2 oz more than the K18i that apparently doesn’t over an SM-1 reticle, clear glass with crazy wide field of view and all.