(COVID/ETC CONTENT HERE) China Locks Down 11 Million in Wuhan,

[Sam]

Separate thought, why the hell does everybody think they deserve a thank you for their service all the time. Police officers,nurses, fireman, and doc’s. Just do your damn job.

Instead of doing what they do, they could have just sit on their behind and type on this keyboard like us. Don't thank them. Thank you for pointing out that you should take a break and go outside and see if you can find a police, nurse, fireman, doctor that you won't thank.

[Voodoochild]

Alright well I can see nobody bothered to take my advice and just blew off my warning so congrats to all of you who can't behave like adults. By the way wanted to add I have had at least 3 reports from this thread alone in less than 15 minutes.

[SeriousStudent]

Alright well I can see nobody bothered to take my advice and just blew off my warning so congrats to all of you who can't behave like adults.

What time is it? It's vacation time.

Vic79 - stop posting in this thread. That's not a request.

[Voodoochild]

Ok Adults. Let's try this again. Keep it informative and professional.

[WillBrink]

I posted article and vid on Dr. Knut Wittkowski - who was head of the Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design at the Rockefeller University - RE, his position our approach to Covid was counter productive. For those who have the epi/bio stats background to wade through it, here's his full paper:

The first three months of the COVID-19 epidemic: Epidemiological evidence for two separate strains of SARS-CoV-2 viruses spreading and implications for prevention strategies

Two epidemics of COVID-19

KNUT M.WITTKOWSKI1

Abstract

About one month after the COVID-19 epidemic peaked in Mainland China and SARS-CoV-2 migrated to Europe and then the U.S., the epidemiological data begin to provide important insights into the risks associated with the disease and the effectiveness of intervention strategies such as travel restrictions and social distancing. Respiratory diseases, including the 2003 SARS epidemic, remain only about two months in any given population, although peak incidence and lethality can vary. The epidemiological data suggest that at least two strains of the 2020 SARS-CoV-2 virus have evolved during its migration from Mainland China to Europe. South Korea, Iran, Italy, and Italy’s neighbors were hit by the more dangerous “SKII” variant. While the epidemic in continental Asia is about to end, and in Europe about to level off, the more recent epidemic in the younger US population is still increasing, albeit not exponentially anymore. The peak level will likely depend on which of the strains has entered the U.S. first. The same models that help us to understand the epidemic also help us to choose prevention strategies. Containment of high-risk people, like the elderly, and reducing disease severity, either by vaccination or by early treatment of complications, is the best strategy against a respiratory virus disease. Social distancing or “lockdowns” can be effective during the month following the peak incidence in infections, when the exponential increase of cases ends. Earlier containment of low-risk people merely prolongs the time the virus needs to circulate until the incidence is high enough to initiate “herd immunity”. Later containment is not helpful, unless to prevent a rebound if containment started too early.

Cont:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...715v2.full.pdf

[Alpha-17]

Oh boy, let's see if this posts, or if the thread gets closed again.

As far as reporting goes, I think a lot of headlines are grossly exaggerating what they're counting. Here is the official guidance PDF:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/c...-19-deaths.pdf

The major points of contention are:

Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause?
The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate.
However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID19 being the underlying cause more often than not.

What happens if the terms reported on the death certificate indicate uncertainty?
If the death certificate reports terms such as “probable COVID-19” or “likely COVID-19,” these terms would be
assigned the new ICD code. It Is not likely that NCHS will follow up on these cases.
If “pending COVID-19 testing” is reported on the death certificate, this would be considered a pending record.
In this scenario, NCHS would expect to receive an updated record, since the code will likely result in R99. In
this case, NCHS will ask the states to follow up to verify if test results confirmed that the decedent had COVID19.

Should “COVID-19” be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test?
COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is
assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based
on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc. If the decedent had other chronic
conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part
II. (See attached Guidance for Certifying COVID-19 Deaths)

When you actually read the guidance, it's not quite the same as "if you have it and die from a meteor, you will be listed as death by Corona!" like others have claimed. Instead, it's a matter of taking probably and likely and rolling them in with confirmed, unless actual testing is being conducted. Personally, I don't see a problem with it. A lot of people waaaaay back when this was a Chinese problem insisted the Chinese were doing the opposite, and putting everything but Corona as the cause of death. This was used to show how the ChiCom Gov't was trying to cover up the truth. Our oh so wonderful government is taking the opposite approach, and I think it's the better of the two. Unless someone can point to updated guidance (and not an interview) about how they're classifying things, I think this is a non-issue.

[prepare]

Covid19 Agenda;

Support Democrat Socialists Purpose;
Resistance at ALL costs

Target;
Donald J. Trump

Covid19;
Real virus of unknown origin. Possibly natural or lab/man made.

Planned 2020 election year pandemic response/attack;
Shut down and disrupt U.S. economy to diminish the chances of Donald J. Trump’s re-election.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I’d rather talk about the politics of the virus and his response in the “2020 election threat” than here. I’d like to see us stick with the facts and discuss things like the models and treatments. The politics will play out over the next nine months and is so forward looking in speculative that it is inherently unknown and unsolvable.

[Arik]

I was reading (will try to find it again) that there some evidence that showed countries with mandatory BCG vaccinations (TB and leprosy) had 10X less cases.

For those of you who've had it, that's that round mark on your left upper arm

[rushca01]

Covid19 Agenda;

Support Democrat Socialists Purpose;
Resistance at ALL costs

Target;
Donald J. Trump

Covid19;
Real virus of unknown origin. Possibly natural or lab/man made.

Planned 2020 election year pandemic response/attack;
Shut down and disrupt U.S. economy to diminish the chances of Donald J. Trump’s re-election.

You’re video? Good content, I shared with several people in my sphere of influence.