(COVID/ETC CONTENT HERE) China Locks Down 11 Million in Wuhan,

Just announced on the news that the first case is confirmed in Sullivan County Tenn. With the amount of commuting to jobs in the area, I could garunntee it is all through East Tenn and Southwest Va now.

This is not just a political thing. Yes the politicians are making a lot of posturing. Trump, oddly, has his facts and logic right, but they may not be that relevant. People are going to get sick, and a lot of people aren't going to be sick, but they are going to spread it. 500k deaths from this in 2020? Probably, but at a 5x or so of the flu, will we even notice it?

The bad news/good news is that healthy people don't seem to be at much risk but the bad part is that a lot of Americans are Obese, Aged, diabetic, COPD. That is going to be a problem.

The worst is that I think we are going to get into a virtue signaling spiral where we demand more and more restrictions that don't actually solve the problem and making the economic issues even worse.

Originally Posted by Honu

NO the left does it because they are blind to reality destroy trump over life

Example Bernie saying he would not shut down borders even if it slowed down the virus think if he was in control how bad we would be now if xenophobic racist trump did not shut down travel

the lefts idea Islam is the religion of peace and the denial of Europe and what is happening with rapes and so on with all the immigrants and they flat out deny and let it happen and then even when it’s shown they deny more letting it happen

Just like illegal immigrants here the left wants to say they are all good and we know they are not all good so the bad ones in sanctuary cities rape murder and are released to repeat and they are the victim we are the bad ones for calling them out this is a perfect example of folks dying for political reasons and they refuse to admit it

So they do it already I can see them doing it while this is going on causing more deaths
How why did the mess in Wash happen ? That will be interesting to see why how unless it gets buried etc....

Many on the left wanted a catastrophe to topple trump even big names on air like bill maher(spelling) saying something like that they are OK with deaths and catastrophe to Americans just to topple trump

So again this came along and hey let’s use this for political weapon see what we can do with it for control

Also 4th day in a row South Korea numbers are down not going up and with China going down and now Korea ? They were #2 after China date wise so could this be a better outlook and look how they handled it and how their numbers are going down and take notes rather then the fear mongering our press is doing now and the constant blaming trump idiocy every news story brings up Trump and why he caused this making it worse etc..... again the left wants Trump to go away and they do not care the left murders babies daily and cheers it so people dying for their political view is OK as long as they can blame Trump and bring him down

How it happened in Wash? How do people get sick? I don't think there's some scheme to start it at a nursing home in the US.

Originally Posted by chuckman

Can you BLUF it??

Originally Posted by Tx_Aggie

Bottom Line, Up Front

Ah!

Not man made. Not a typical flu. Can't compare to flu stats because this is just the beginning. Looking at possibly 10X - 15X worse in the next 6 - 9 months.

Probably not as bad as the Spanish flu but worse than a bad flu season.

Vaccine any time soon is wishful thinking.

Majority of sick through breathing. Washing hands/sanitizer is good idea in general and will help some but has shown to have little overall effect on the coronavirus as far as spreading/contacting the virus.

The idea that it mostly effects old people is false. China and Italy both have serious issues with those in their 40s and up.

Have to balance closing things and still having work/life..etc.. 38% of nurses have children. Closing schools could potentially take that many health workers out of the rotation if moms will be staying home with kids


There was also some stuff about chronic wasting disease and Lyme disease

Originally Posted by Arik

How it happened in Wash? How do people get sick? I don't think there's some scheme to start it at a nursing home in the US.

No scheme to start agreed
BUT this is one of the worst in the world for cluster deaths so why how did it happen ?
We are at 28 deaths up 1 since yesterday and 19 happened in one home ! That really needs to be looked at big time (not sure where the extra 1 was)
Did they ignore hand washing ? Why
Did they not clean dishes or was it food prep ? Why
With every precaution etc.... this place messed up big time
If you don’t see something wrong with this major screw up especially in a home like this how and why needs to be investigated big time if not for future what never to do and most likely will come down to one person ignoring precautions/methods etc...
Who knows maybe some psycho new they were infected and made others infected on purpose would not be the first time for that kinda thing to happen

Originally Posted by Arik

Ah!

Not man made. Not a typical flu. Can't compare to flu stats because this is just the beginning. Looking at possibly 10X - 15X worse in the next 6 - 9 months.

Probably not as bad as the Spanish flu but worse than a bad flu season.

Vaccine any time soon is wishful thinking.

Majority of sick through breathing. Washing hands/sanitizer is good idea in general and will help some but has shown to have little overall effect on the coronavirus as far as spreading/contacting the virus.

The idea that it mostly effects old people is false. China and Italy both have serious issues with those in their 40s and up.

Have to balance closing things and still having work/life..etc.. 38% of nurses have children. Closing schools could potentially take that many health workers out of the rotation if moms will be staying home with kids


There was also some stuff about chronic wasting disease and Lyme disease

But very clear the vast majority of serious cases, men over 60 with co morbidity, being smokers as male smokers very common in those countries. Far lower in age matched women who don't smoke. He also mentioned the co morbidity he's concerned about in the US was the % of obese people, who also tend to have poorer outcomes.

Biggest surprise to me was his saying washing hands and making sure not to touch your face, not well supported by the data for this virus. It is supported for the flu, so it stands to reason applies well to this virus, but of course if droplets from someone breathing on you gets in your nose, you'll likely get sick, which is why he recommends avoiding crowded locations if you're at higher risk especially.

I've read a couple things about triage in Italy. The hospitals are overwhelmed, so naturally (and realistically) they are triaging patients. The criteria is what is troubling. From what I've read they are at a point where if you are 80+ you don't get treated, period (another article I read said over 65). If you are younger than the magical age but have a co-morbidity you won't get treated either. Not just not treated, but not even ASSESSED!

Yeah, this is in Italy, I get that. But next week I'm supposed to return to my hospital Respiratory Therapy job after being off since December with my bilateral knee replacement/quadriceps debacle. I told my wife that I'm just now relearning how to freaking walk and will be jumping right into the middle of this shit. Of course she's an RN at the same facility so in the same boat as me. I don't look forward to it, and I don't particularly like the fact that our way of earning a living (i.e. it's a job, not a calling from God or something) will likely ensure our eventual exposure to this crap. If it gets dicey will we then be subject to triage? I would no-shit throat-punch some bastard who had the audacity to tell me I (or my wife) wasn't getting treated after my job exposed me to it WAY more than the general public. Something tells me we won't be afforded the luxury of a two-week at-home quarantine either.

Spoke to my boss today and she said they've been running "COVID-19 drills", making the RT department pull out all those portable ventilators we've had stored for years for emergency and disaster situations.

Originally Posted by ABNAK

I've read a couple things about triage in Italy. The hospitals are overwhelmed, so naturally (and realistically) they are triaging patients. The criteria is what is troubling. From what I've read they are at a point where if you are 80+ you don't get treated, period (another article I read said over 65). If you are younger than the magical age but have a co-morbidity you won't get treated either. Not just not treated, but not even ASSESSED!

Yeah, this is in Italy, I get that. But next week I'm supposed to return to my hospital Respiratory Therapy job after being off since December with my bilateral knee replacement/quadriceps debacle. I told my wife that I'm just now relearning how to freaking walk and will be jumping right into the middle of this shit. Of course she's an RN at the same facility so in the same boat as me. I don't look forward to it, and I don't particularly like the fact that our way of earning a living (i.e. it's a job, not a calling from God or something) will likely ensure our eventual exposure to this crap. If it gets dicey will we then be subject to triage? I would no-shit throat-punch some bastard who had the audacity to tell me I (or my wife) wasn't getting treated after my job exposed me to it WAY more than the general public. Something tells me we won't be afforded the luxury of a two-week at-home quarantine either.

Spoke to my boss today and she said they've been running "COVID-19 drills", making the RT department pull out all those portable ventilators we've had stored for years for emergency and disaster situations.

We’ve been talking at all work. With all the positive cases of influenza, and deaths, we’ve been overworked since October. We are all signing up for a 21 day quarantine. Sounds like a vacation


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A half dozen states are having primaries today. How many politicians have you heard urging their constituents to stay home and avoid crowded polling places?

Originally Posted by Arik

Ah!

The idea that it mostly effects old people is false. China and Italy both have serious issues with those in their 40s and up.

There was also some stuff about chronic wasting disease and Lyme disease

Not false it mostly effects old people

True some in their 40s who almost all seem to be compromised had issues seems to be the case so 0.4% Of the 40-49 range is super low and not a serious issue making old age false