(COVID/ETC CONTENT HERE) China Locks Down 11 Million in Wuhan,

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    Whiskey_Bravo said: 03-12-20 08:30
    Quote Originally Posted by Arik View Post
    What happened back in 2010 with the swine flu? I was young and didn't give a shit back then. Vaguely remember it being mentioned. Now I look it up and it seems like there were millions infected in the US and over 12k died. Up to half million died worldwide in about a year.

    April 26 2009 US declares public health emergency
    June 11 2009 H1N1 is now considered a pandemic
    October 24 2009 President Obama declared national emergency

    Why with millions infected and over 12k dead was this not a big deal back then?
    Not a bad question. And not just for the US but for the entire world. Every country seems to have gone DEFCON 1. What is different this time with COVID-19?

    So that didn't age well.

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    Whiskey

    May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one

  2.  chuckman said: 03-12-20 08:44
    Quote Originally Posted by lsllc View Post
    Except nothing is really happening except a bunch of hysteria and knee-jerk reactions.

    As more and more people are being tested, morality rates are plummeting compared to what was first thought. We keep getting told that it’s very transmissible, yet the numbers are still relatively low. It has been at least three incubation periods since suspending travel to China. Now we are suspending travel to Europe.


    Annually there are 5 million cases of influenza and 650,000 deaths.

    Influenza, like COVID19, is a respiratory virus spread by respiratory droplets (though they CDC is urging airborne predations for healthcare workers—WHO insist COVID19 is droplet), that is typically dangerous to the elderly and those with co-morbidities. Influenza kills children where COVID19 seems not to. Both can lead to bronchitis and pneumonia.

    We have vaccines and evidence-based treatment regimes for influenza but not COVID19.

    You’re right, we shouldn’t compare the two. Flu has been killing a shitton of people every year and covid19 hasn’t.

    People fear the unknown.


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    I have dealt with ED responses to large influx of flu patients, some of whom ended up on ECMO and died (who were otherwise healthy). I see the difference between this and the flu is even if the mortality rate on this drops from 3% or whatever to 1%, a 66% drop, it is still 10 times worse than the flu (which is 0.1%). Also, I have not seen any ICU, anywhere in the US, where there was a flood of flu patients that overwhelmed the unit as COVID-19 has done in Europe and Asia.

    I don't get Chicken Little Syndrome and still see we are a long way off from "death wards" and that kind of thing, and I do believe social distancing and everything shutting down will retard the spread. BUT....I also see a definite mismatch between what we are being told and what we are seeing. We'll see how the data pans out.

  3. Circle_10 said: 03-12-20 08:46
    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskey_Bravo View Post
    Not a bad question. And not just for the US but for the entire world. Every country seems to have gone DEFCON 1. What is different this time with COVID-19?
    Maybe the further proliferation and prevalence of social media, combined with a young adult population that is much less emotionally “tough” than past generations, has helped make panic more contagious?

    Or there actually is something different about COVID-19 that makes the extreme reaction justified, but we aren’t being given all the info.

  4. chuckman said: 03-12-20 08:46
    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskey_Bravo View Post
    Not a bad question. And not just for the US but for the entire world. Every country seems to have gone DEFCON 1. What is different this time with COVID-19?
    Paraphrasing one of our hospital leaders, I am having a hard time reconciling this. What we see, what we are being told, and what we feel, none of them are matching up.

  5. jsbhike said: 03-12-20 08:55


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    eightmillimeter said: 03-12-20 08:56
    Quote Originally Posted by Arik View Post
    Why with millions infected and over 12k dead was this not a big deal back then?
    It was a big deal. Lots of travel restrictions especially US to western Mexico. They were dusting off all the emergency plans for that too, similar to today. It spread slower and petered itself out.

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    Inkslinger said: 03-12-20 09:06
    Quote Originally Posted by Arik View Post
    What happened back in 2010 with the swine flu? I was young and didn't give a shit back then. Vaguely remember it being mentioned. Now I look it up and it seems like there were millions infected in the US and over 12k died. Up to half million died worldwide in about a year.

    April 26 2009 US declares public health emergency
    June 11 2009 H1N1 is now considered a pandemic
    October 24 2009 President Obama declared national emergency

    Why with millions infected and over 12k dead was this not a big deal back then?
    Because maybe the people in power know more about this pandemic then they’re telling us. My concern is being ramped up because of the action of governments and not media commentary.

  8. Arik said: 03-12-20 09:09
    Quote Originally Posted by eightmillimeter View Post
    It was a big deal. Lots of travel restrictions especially US to western Mexico. They were dusting off all the emergency plans for that too, similar to today. It spread slower and petered itself out.
    I was traveling at that time and don't remember restrictions or even hassles on travel. Don't remember water and toilet paper disappearing. But like I said,.... paid about as much attention as I did to any cold season. Basically didn't give a shit and didn't follow it. At that time if you asked me on any given day about the Swine flu best I could do is tell you that I've heard those words somewhere recently
    Last edited by Arik; 03-12-20 at 09:11.

  9. jsbhike said: 03-12-20 09:09
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckman View Post
    Paraphrasing one of our hospital leaders, I am having a hard time reconciling this. What we see, what we are being told, and what we feel, none of them are matching up.
    That's my take. The bulk of the info sources have a history of being dishonest so it is hard to form an opinion. Erring to the worst case scenario is erring to the side of caution, but that has to be tempered by not becoming debilitated by those concerns.

  10. jsbhike said: 03-12-20 09:13
    Quote Originally Posted by Arik View Post
    I was traveling at that time and don't remember restrictions or even hassles on travel. Don't remember water and toilet paper disappearing. But like I said,.... paid about as much attention as I did to any cold season. Basically didn't give a shit and didn't follow it
    That was 2009-2010 and think there were still ammo shortages. May have been on things like rice and other bulk foods too. Scalping of those items lead to bans on non Mormons being allowed to shop at some(or all?) Mormon food centers.

    Still don't get the stockpiling toilet paper.
    Last edited by jsbhike; 03-12-20 at 09:17.