(COVID/ETC CONTENT HERE) China Locks Down 11 Million in Wuhan,

Originally Posted by Grand58742

I hope he goes broke.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/t...n-sellers.html

I'd rather he be able to sell the crap. Price gouging is an unfortunate, but possibly necessary, part of the free market. If someone is willing to pay that price, they should be able to buy it, rather than it sit in the dude's garage.


A bit late to the reporting party, the downside of only checking in once a day I guess, but local grocery stores have been hit hard for Flour, dry beans, evaporated/condensed/dry milk (especially the dry stuff), Ramen, meat, and, of course, TP. Soups seem to be still on the shelves, but that's only a matter of time. Sounds like 9mm is disappearing quickly, along with bulk 5.56. I've got plenty of the latter, but hardly any of the former. The downside of introducing a new caliber into the stable when we were on the verge of a global Pandemic, I guess. Oh well.

The Johns Hopkins map seems to be working today; cases are back to where they were before, with a significant spike, it seems. In the last couple of days, KS cases have jumped as well, from 1 to 5, and 1 death. Undoubtedly there will be more. Nothing local yet, but my wife had to travel to Wichita for work, and while there found out about the presumptive case they have. Yay.

Originally Posted by Alpha-17

I'd rather he be able to sell the crap. Price gouging is an unfortunate, but possibly necessary, part of the free market. If someone is willing to pay that price, they should be able to buy it, rather than it sit in the dude's garage.

It's the way he went about it that has me grumbling. I lived through the 2012-2013 craziness of Sandy Hook in regards to everything firearms, so I understand price gouging as well as artificially inflated markets.

However, when you rent a U-Haul and travel through two States buying up everything as well as clearing out supplies on Amazon with the specific intent of drying up supplies, that does get me riled. Good for Amazon and Ebay in taking the steps to shut people like that down.

An idea whose time has come.

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Originally Posted by Belmont31R

People wonder why so many support Bernie and its because the country is filled with idiotic employers who don't give a single **** about their employees, and all these high priced managers raking in the money haven't spent a single second planning for an event like this, and when they do come out with a plan its just a little variation of 'you're fired' if any ripple in a persons life interrupts their spreadsheet stats for the week.

Its the same variation of 'I can't find any good employees (even though I pay shit wages and treat them like utter shit)' that people support leftist policies, and my employer would rather pay Obama taxes and employ people with 10% unemployment rates than compete for workers. From when I was hired to today now they have a program to pay people to get GED's instead of making the job more enticing or increasing wages to compete for quality employees. On our manufacturing side I think the average length of employment in measured in months. I brought up wages in a meeting and was responded to by someone as 'people just don't want to work'. As a result besides the lowering of hiring standards QC standards have gradually been lowered to where we've had inspectors tell management if they had to go get a surgery they'd not want our devices used on them. They are at the point of using half way houses and special needs employers as well as prison industry on top of their GED program where when I was hired it was a place 'hard to get hired' and 'paid well'.

The 737 Max fiasco is how most of corporate America responded to Trump and low unemployment. Scramble for low cost employees by slashing standards, and send whatever shit product out they can. Maintenance done in China, and export as much as possible. As many foreign employees as possible.

I love capitalism for all its done for humanity but people tend to get flattened or told to STFU when it comes to the other side of the coin when it comes to criticism of shit employers/behaviors/treatment of customers as if a business is some sort a close second only to churches in getting away with shit behavior.

My boss told me our place of work is as sterile as a hospital and I got dirty looks for saying 'I hope the hell not because hospitals are disgusting'. I only got saved out of that comment by adding to that about my wife being sent home from the hospital the day after a double masectomy with the nurses telling us that they do that now because newer statistics show less infection rates and better recoveries by sending people home as soon as they are stable.

Almost everybody that owns a company still has to go into work.

Yes all those problems you are discussing are true. They are the result of employers being used to pay shit wages due to the 2008 recession and wage stagnation for the past 20 years. They don’t have anything to do with the coronavirus.

Originally Posted by tgizzard

On the other hand, the tinfoil side of my brain can’t help but wonder is this isn’t some giant test run to see how effective a mass lockdown can be implemented.

I would assume records were kept the other times it has been done. 1918 flu had lots of restrictions on movement and association and fairly sure localized outbreaks did too, it has just been awhile.

From a societal standpoint, I really find the runs on guns and ammo concerning. Lots of stories about people who were staunchly anti-gun asking gun owners for recommendations on their first purchase.

So many Americans thinking a pandemic that threatens a relatively small part of our population is the end of the world as we know it.

I'm lucky, we can work from home with no real problems (as long as the network holds up). I truly feel for the people whose work must be done at work, because a lot of them have young children and cannot afford to lose income. What do they do when the schools and daycares close? I hope they have strong nuclear family or community bonds.

Andy

Originally Posted by Alpha-17

A bit late to the reporting party, the downside of only checking in once a day I guess, but local grocery stores have been hit hard for Flour, dry beans, evaporated/condensed/dry milk (especially the dry stuff), Ramen, meat, and, of course, TP. Soups seem to be still on the shelves, but that's only a matter of time. Sounds like 9mm is disappearing quickly, along with bulk 5.56. I've got plenty of the latter, but hardly any of the former. The downside of introducing a new caliber into the stable when we were on the verge of a global Pandemic, I guess. Oh well.
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I was going to wait until I got my tax return to order more bulk ammo but at the beginning of the week I started seeing some bad signs with regard to availability and prices (actually this has been going on for a while now but really started ramping up this week) and decided to just buy preemptively. Had 1k 9mm and 1k Wolf Gold .223 delivered yesterday.
This is range ammo, mind you. My “SHTF” ammo levels are in decent shape, but I wanted to get some 9mm and .223 ball to make sure I can still hit the range in the weeks to come.....and if I end up eventually running out I guess I can always dip into all the 7.62x39 I have laying around and shoot some AKs but....blecccch, I’m not quite ready to stoop that low yet.

Originally Posted by Circle_10

I was going to wait until I got my tax return to order more bulk ammo but at the beginning of the week I started seeing some bad signs with regard to availability and prices (actually this has been going on for a while now but really started ramping up this week) and decided to just buy preemptively. Had 1k 9mm and 1k Wolf Gold .223 delivered yesterday.
This is range ammo, mind you. My “SHTF” ammo levels are in decent shape, but I wanted to get some 9mm and .223 ball to make sure I can still hit the range in the weeks to come.....and if I end up eventually running out I guess I can always dip into all the 7.62x39 I have laying around and shoot some AKs but....blecccch, I’m not quite ready to stoop that low yet.

Don't feel too bad about 7.62x39 - In my Army years during the early 80's, I bought newly imported Chinese AK's before I ever bought an AR. mainly because I had access to all the M16/CAR 15 stuff. The AK was a novelty, but ended up taking a lot of safe area even to this day. Saw my first in-person full auto AK in Grenada in 1983, before the Intel folks boxed all of it up and hauled it away.

For me, my main rifle calibers are listed below, amounting to nearly 40,000 rounds. I was a little light on XM193 so I decided to order another 1000 rounds of it. Getting ammo is a chore out here because UPS/FedEx doesn't deliver to the door. I have a long drive to town to pick it up at one of the hubs, so buying in bulk is cost effective for me:

M855
XM193
7.62x39
5.45x39
30-30 Winchester
45-70 Government
.357 Magnum for some Winchester Carbines

My handgun ammo is so varied between obsolete calibers and modern stuff that I won't even try to list it here.

Originally Posted by OH58D

Don't feel too bad about 7.62x39 - In my Army years during the early 80's, I bought newly imported Chinese AK's before I ever bought an AR. mainly because I had access to all the M16/CAR 15 stuff. The AK was a novelty, but ended up taking a lot of safe area even to this day. Saw my first in-person full auto AK in Grenada in 1983, before the Intel folks boxed all of it up and hauled it away.

For me, my main rifle calibers are listed below, amounting to nearly 40,000 rounds. I was a little light on XM193 so I decided to order another 1000 rounds of it. Getting ammo is a chore out here because UPS/FedEx doesn't deliver to the door. I have a long drive to town to pick it up at one of the hubs, so buying in bulk is cost effective for me:

M855
XM193
7.62x39
5.45x39
30-30 Winchester
45-70 Government
.357 Magnum for some Winchester Carbines

My handgun ammo is so varied between obsolete calibers and modern stuff that I won't even try to list it here.

I like to dump on AKs, but I still have a bunch of them. I just hardly ever shoot them, basically everything about them annoys me now, even the zeroing process.

Although my collection has a fair number of calibers represented the vast majority of what i actually shoot is 5.56/.223 and 9mm. Leading up to the warmer months I start shooting .38 special as well to prep for sometimes pocket-carrying my J-frame in the summer, and now and again I’ll break out the Savage 10FP .308 but I really don’t have a good range to practice precision shooting.
Once in blue moon maybe I’ll shoot 7.62x39, 8mm Mauser or .40cal or something. I would shoot 5.45 more as I actually still do kinda like AK-74s, but all I have left of that cartridge is in sealed spam cans now.

I am currently lighter than I’d like to be on M193, but not so low I’m willing to cave and pay panic prices.

Do you think you’re going to get into thousands of gunfights with coronavirus or looters? Loading up on training ammo is one thing but damn. Don’t go out buying shit you can’t afford. It’ll be there tomorrow. It’ll be there when the country quits freaking out.


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