(COVID/ETC CONTENT HERE) China Locks Down 11 Million in Wuhan,

Originally Posted by Life's a Hillary

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Thanks Warg, it’s really nice to hear from someone who isn’t just an armchair QB on this.

Well, again, I'm not a key investigator on this- just passing along information in a manner I feel is responsible. I still do not understand why some epidemiologists and health professionals are quoting numbers to scare people. Pay attention to what Dr Anthony Fauci, the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, is saying. He's much better with his predictions, for example WRT to Italy:

Fauci warned that the outbreak in the U.S. "could get as bad as Italy" if the public does not take action to prevent the spread of the virus.

"But I don't think we're going there if we do the kinds of things that we're publicly saying we need to do," he said.

Bingo.

Originally Posted by Warg

Well, again, I'm not a key investigator on this- just passing along information in a manner I feel is responsible. I still do not understand why some epidemiologists and health professionals are quoting numbers to scare people. Pay attention to what Dr Anthony Fauci, the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, is saying. He's much better with his predictions, for example WRT to Italy:

Fauci warned that the outbreak in the U.S. "could get as bad as Italy" if the public does not take action to prevent the spread of the virus.

"But I don't think we're going there if we do the kinds of things that we're publicly saying we need to do," he said.

Bingo.

I suspect the reasoning is that's what it takes to get people to actually respond. They do the same for the hurricanes here in FL, and did the same for the blizzards in the NE, Obviously that has the potential to seriously back fire when people no longer believe you and are not prepared when/if the real deal happens. That and they wanna make a name for themselves, and there may be a touch of TDS involved also in the mix I suspect.

Driving around in my area of FL, bars were full of people...

Originally Posted by WillBrink

I suspect the reasoning is that's what it takes to get people to actually respond. They do the same for the hurricanes here in FL, and did the same for the blizzards in the NE, Obviously that has the potential to seriously back fire when people no longer believe you and are not prepared when/if the real deal happens. That and they wanna make a name for themselves, and there may be a touch of TDS involved also in the mix I suspect.

Driving around in my area of FL, bars were full of people...

Totally agree on this. Crying wolf causes future problems.

Originally Posted by Adrenaline_6

Totally agree on this. Crying wolf causes future problems.

It's a real Catch 22 there, but ultimately self defeating.

Originally Posted by Adrenaline_6

I am more disturbed by the fact that even on this board, there are people feeding the panic frenzy that the MSM is perpetuating. Seriously. Sure..its a pandemic...and it does kill more people than the normal flu - percentage wise. So did SARS and MERS by a lot more than this new virus does. Yet here we are.

On the other hand, it is older people and/or people with compromised respiratory systems. For most of us, this isn't a concern at all. Due your damn due diligence and wash your hands so you don't, by chance, spread it to others and/or contract it yourself and carry on. Creating a panic and the resulting buying spree situation is hurting people that actually need the supplies who have compromised health systems to be able to get them and keep from getting sick and actually dying.

For f*cks sake people! Step back...look at the overall big picture...and get a damn grip! This is sad...really sad. I thought my view on humanity and it's resulting stupidity couldn't go any lower and then boom it steps up and says *hold my beer*.

Originally Posted by Vic79

Couldn’t have said it better myself. If the virus is half as contagious as all the doomsdayer’s say it is, it is already everywhere. The true number of cases is probably 4 to 5 times what the confirmed is. The total exposed already is probably 10 times that. But nobody wants to use those numbers because of the death rate falls and doesn’t make it as scary. Closing schools at this point is fu$king retarded to put it nicely. The self Quarantine isn’t working and it is not going to work people have to make a living people have shit to do. Government enforced quarantine isnt going work either. There’s not enough manpower to enforce it. We going to continue drive the panic until it is at an absolute frenzied state then when we get some civil unrest and get people killed ,probably more than what the virus will actually kill, we’re gonna stand around with our thumb up our ass and say we had to do something.

Originally Posted by teufelhund1918

Said this on another thread, but I really think this whole thing is over blown for one of two reasons in the end.

1) They...the gubbamint... knows more about this virus and what will happen to it than they are publicly admitting. Meaning that it probably is a weaponized virus that escaped from the bio-lab in the Chinese province by accident and will mutate at some point to a lethal virus and kill a lot of people. They wouldn't come out and admit that there is more coming in order to try to limit the mass hysteria that would follow. But they would be getting things into place to keep it as isolated as possible.

2) Although there is a real virus, the progressive socialist media, politicians and other groups have blown this all out of proportion to what it actually is in order to make Trump look bad for the 2020 election. The progressive socialist types don't care about anything else other than getting their agenda in place one way or another. Never let a crisis go to waste. Trump derangement syndrome is a bigger threat to our safety and security than the Covid 19 virus.

I've thought about it a bit and these two scenarios are the only two that make sense about what is actually taking place now. Am I wrong???

Yes. They didn't kill couple thousand Italians to get rid of Trump. The left can be overblowing this due to TRump derangement and it can be an threat to the integrity of our healthcare systems. No, it isn't end times, especially if it is dealt with. Let it get out of hand and it gets ugly if you over saturate the hospitals.

Originally Posted by Grand58742

Imagine that...a veiled communist calling for a federal takeover of private industry.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/de-...like-situation

Head explode-- Like there is anything better than a profit motive to run those plants to get the most material out of them. Sure, lets Post Office those operations. Ukrainian Wheat under the Communists anyone? When the only tools you have are a hammer and sickle, everything looks like nails and peasants to mow down.

Originally Posted by Warg

Well, again, I'm not a key investigator on this- just passing along information in a manner I feel is responsible. I still do not understand why some epidemiologists and health professionals are quoting numbers to scare people.
Bingo.

Please keep adding your info and analysis.

I'm using this to help train my kids 15&12 about data and the press. Yesterday the morning shows had the predicted number of infected, hospitalized and dead. They were ranges of an order of magnitude. I showed the kids that informtion like that is useless. If we have 200k or 2.1 million deaths is a huge difference, and if we have 500k or 5million hospitalized is very different outcomes. The data is useless.

Where are all the resources we paid for post 9/11 to combat bio-terror???

Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand

Yes. They didn't kill couple thousand Italians to get rid of Trump. The left can be overblowing this due to TRump derangement and it can be an threat to the integrity of our healthcare systems. No, it isn't end times, especially if it is dealt with. Let it get out of hand and it gets ugly if you over saturate the hospitals.



Head explode-- Like there is anything better than a profit motive to run those plants to get the most material out of them. Sure, lets Post Office those operations. Ukrainian Wheat under the Communists anyone? When the only tools you have are a hammer and sickle, everything looks like nails and peasants to mow down.



Please keep adding your info and analysis.

I'm using this to help train my kids 15&12 about data and the press. Yesterday the morning shows had the predicted number of infected, hospitalized and dead. They were ranges of an order of magnitude. I showed the kids that informtion like that is useless. If we have 200k or 2.1 million deaths is a huge difference, and if we have 500k or 5million hospitalized is very different outcomes. The data is useless.

Where are all the resources we paid for post 9/11 to combat bio-terror???

Expired, worn out, broken, etc. We rarely plan/budget for maintaining anything long term.

Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand

Please keep adding your info and analysis.

I'm using this to help train my kids 15&12 about data and the press. Yesterday the morning shows had the predicted number of infected, hospitalized and dead. They were ranges of an order of magnitude. I showed the kids that informtion like that is useless. If we have 200k or 2.1 million deaths is a huge difference, and if we have 500k or 5million hospitalized is very different outcomes. The data is useless.

Where are all the resources we paid for post 9/11 to combat bio-terror???

Will do. With regard to your question, exactly! I considered changing career paths with specific interest in bio-terrorism post 9/11, but this was never well funded or supported. We know that infectious agents are much more lethal, easier to manufacture and field compared to nuclear/dirty bombs but still aren't willing to support. This was frustrating, so I went to big-bad pharma and stayed in oncology research to support my family.

Originally Posted by 1168

Expired, worn out, broken, etc. We rarely plan/budget for maintaining anything long term.

This. Most things unneeded on a daily basis exist on a "Check the Box" level.

Originally Posted by Warg

Will do. With regard to your question, exactly! I considered changing career paths with specific interest in bio-terrorism post 9/11, but this was never well funded or supported. We know that infectious agents are much more lethal, easier to manufacture and field compared to nuclear/dirty bombs but still aren't willing to support. This was frustrating, so I went to big-bad pharma and stayed in oncology research to support my family.

I am in the field, but it's always been a collateral duty, never a full-time job. I have been in the EM/disaster planning field (sans Navy time, even then I had additional collateral training with CBRNE) with EMS, county emergency management, and hospital emergency management. I have been to Anniston so often I have a favorite room, and I know which rooms have the better functioning AC. The full-time guys are few and far between, and when they get the job tend to stay there.

WRT where the resources went, the agencies that took care of them, still have them. A lot of agencies got the resources, trained hard, and put everything away to never be seen again. New leadership comes in, decides it's not a priority, it all goes in a warehouse to dry rot.

Originally Posted by taekwondopreacher

This. Most things unneeded on a daily basis exist on a "Check the Box" level.

Alternatively, those things that are used daily, especially in healthcare, are usually simple point and click purchases by the purchasing officer. There are no stockpiles of PPE out there. If hospitals have them left over from the last big contagion, they're lucky. The vast majority are used to ordering these things on an "as needed" basis. As Dr. Michael Osterholm succinctly put it on Joe Rogan's podcast, the nation does not prepare for future pandemics - only when it's too late are actions taken. That's why there's such a hodgepodge of government action across the country. There is no "master" continuity plan.