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Originally Posted by jpmuscle

You mean folks out there doing their jobs the same as they would be irrespective of this COVID19 ordeal?

There are enough self absorbed Karen’s in the world as it is, we don’t need anymore.

Doing your job does not a hero one make.

Well you should be happy that the "Families First Coronavirus Care Act", which was signed into law by Trump four days ago, exempts healthcare workers from the following: employees who are quarantined will receive 80 hours of pay and employees who have to take off because of their kid's schools being cancelled or caring for a family member who is positive will receive 2/3 of their pay for up to 12 weeks with a modification to the current FMLA law. That's right, healthcare workers won't be eligible for it.

While you probably don't agree with the thing as a whole (and I don't either), you should be ecstatic that healthcare workers are not eligible. That will certainly tamp down that "hero" syndrome eh? Of course it will, along with PPE and staffing shortages, cause quite a few to say "Fvck you, shove this job" and then when you show up to the ER the line will be even longer. Do you support revocation of state licenses for healthcare workers who say "Fvck this" and quit?

IIRC you're some kind of Fed LEO, correct? If you get shot in the line of duty can we just skip the emotional, flagged-draped coffin ceremony? After all, you're just doing your job.

I have been in healthcare for nearly 30 years. I don't particularly care for it (never have), but it pays the bills. I am not Florence freaking Nightingale. My patients are strangers to me, they're not family, and that would include you. Nonetheless, I will do my job unless I determine (and no one else) that the risk of me dying over it is more than the consequences of quitting. I can always find another job someday, but I'll be alive. But I'm not a "quitter".....yet. Put me in an impossible position (like inadequate PPE) and feed me a line of shit about my "social contract" or "duty" and I'll laugh in your damn face.

You need to realize that not everyone in healthcare is a die-hard sacrificial lamb. No one I've heard here is saying we're "heroes" either. Feel free to point it out if you've seen it in this thread. And now you can take some additional solace in the fact that healthcare workers are exempt from the rules being laid out just the other day that apply to everyone else.

Originally Posted by ABNAK

Well you should be happy that the "Families First Coronavirus Care Act", which was signed into law by Trump four days ago, exempts healthcare workers from the following: employees who are quarantined will receive 80 hours of pay and employees who have to take off because of their kid's schools being cancelled or caring for a family member who is positive will receive 2/3 of their pay for up to 12 weeks with a modification to the current FMLA law. That's right, healthcare workers won't be eligible for it.

While you probably don't agree with the thing as a whole (and I don't either), you should be ecstatic that healthcare workers are not eligible. That will certainly tamp down that "hero" syndrome eh? Of course it will, along with PPE and staffing shortages, cause quite a few to say "Fvck you, shove this job" and then when you show up to the ER the line will be even longer. Do you support revocation of state licenses for healthcare workers who say "Fvck this" and quit?

IIRC you're some kind of Fed LEO, correct? If you get shot in the line of duty can we just skip the emotional, flagged-draped coffin ceremony? After all, you're just doing your job.

I have been in healthcare for nearly 30 years. I don't particularly care for it (never have), but it pays the bills. I am not Florence freaking Nightingale. My patients are strangers to me, they're not family, and that would include you. Nonetheless, I will do my job unless I determine (and no one else) that the risk of me dying over it is more than the consequences of quitting. I can always find another job someday, but I'll be alive. But I'm not a "quitter".....yet. Put me in an impossible position (like inadequate PPE) and feed me a line of shit about my "social contract" or "duty" and I'll laugh in your damn face.

You need to realize that not everyone in healthcare is a die-hard sacrificial lamb. No one I've heard here is saying we're "heroes" either. Feel free to point it out if you've seen it in this thread. And now you can take some additional solace in the fact that healthcare workers are exempt from the rules being laid out just the other day that apply to everyone else.

This x1000

I’ve never heard a trucker, agricultural worker, or construction worker want any special treatment or get hero syndrome though, statistically, they are more likely face occupational mortality than law enforcement or infantry.


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Originally Posted by Averageman

Makes sense to me, all of it except a shelf life on masks that is.
And what do you want to bet someone in the Medical Supply business did some lobbying so M95 masks and tongue depressors have a shelf life?

You can ask that worthless, piece-of-shit organization called JCAHO about that. They for some reason have the healthcare industry by the balls. Never understood why.

Funny, I hear crickets chirping from the JCAHO corner during all of this....

Originally Posted by lsllc

The materials used in N95s begin decaying the moment they are manufactured and the level of filtration decreases. It isn’t lobbying. It is about reduced effectiveness.


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What is in them that can decay? I know charcoal based filters can absorb crap from the air. I use organic vapor cartridges for painting with solvent based paints but what’s in an N95 that can decay? I thought it was just a fiber filtration media?


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Originally Posted by 85cucvtom

What is in them that can decay? I know charcoal based filters can absorb crap from the air. I use organic vapor cartridges for painting with solvent based paints but what’s in an N95 that can decay? I thought it was just a fiber filtration media?


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From what I’m told is it is not the filter, but the seals and straps. The last meeting I was in on them they will allow 5 donning/doffings or 8 hours. They are supposed to be stored in a bag that isn’t light transmissible.


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Originally Posted by ABNAK

You can ask that worthless, piece-of-shit organization called JCAHO about that. They for some reason have the healthcare industry by the balls. Never understood why.

Funny, I hear crickets chirping from the JCAHO corner during all of this....

You're on a roll tonight, and I happen to agree with just about every word.

The joint commission will be the first to tell you that it doesn't have any statutory authority or legal authority, yet the government and people who control the purse strings will be the first to tell you that if you are not within joint commission standards you don't get paid.

Magnet? Holy hell, don't get me started on them either.

Originally Posted by ABNAK

Well you should be happy that the "Families First Coronavirus Care Act", which was signed into law by Trump four days ago, exempts healthcare workers from the following: employees who are quarantined will receive 80 hours of pay and employees who have to take off because of their kid's schools being cancelled or caring for a family member who is positive will receive 2/3 of their pay for up to 12 weeks with a modification to the current FMLA law. That's right, healthcare workers won't be eligible for it.

While you probably don't agree with the thing as a whole (and I don't either), you should be ecstatic that healthcare workers are not eligible. That will certainly tamp down that "hero" syndrome eh? Of course it will, along with PPE and staffing shortages, cause quite a few to say "Fvck you, shove this job" and then when you show up to the ER the line will be even longer. Do you support revocation of state licenses for healthcare workers who say "Fvck this" and quit?

IIRC you're some kind of Fed LEO, correct? If you get shot in the line of duty can we just skip the emotional, flagged-draped coffin ceremony? After all, you're just doing your job.

I have been in healthcare for nearly 30 years. I don't particularly care for it (never have), but it pays the bills. I am not Florence freaking Nightingale. My patients are strangers to me, they're not family, and that would include you. Nonetheless, I will do my job unless I determine (and no one else) that the risk of me dying over it is more than the consequences of quitting. I can always find another job someday, but I'll be alive. But I'm not a "quitter".....yet. Put me in an impossible position (like inadequate PPE) and feed me a line of shit about my "social contract" or "duty" and I'll laugh in your damn face.

You need to realize that not everyone in healthcare is a die-hard sacrificial lamb. No one I've heard here is saying we're "heroes" either. Feel free to point it out if you've seen it in this thread. And now you can take some additional solace in the fact that healthcare workers are exempt from the rules being laid out just the other day that apply to everyone else.

And yes, skip the flag and ceremony.

Also lol at everything pertaining to joint commission. I hated dealing with those fools in a past life.

For the record I want anyone regardless of the profession to have the tools necessary to do their job and I haven’t stated anything to the contrary. Once the dust on all this settles hopefully manufacturing of thinks that are of actual critical importance get moved back CONUS.


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I just looked at the projections for required number of masks for this pandemic. One source said 500 billion.


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Originally Posted by jpmuscle

And yes, skip the flag and ceremony.

Also lol at everything pertaining to joint commission. I hated dealing with those fools in a past life.

For the record I want anyone regardless of the profession to have the tools necessary to do their job and I haven’t stated anything to the contrary. Once the dust on all this settles hopefully manufacturing of thinks that are of actual critical importance get moved back CONUS.

Yes, I hope this is a learning experience. But time heals all wounds and tends to dull memories!

If I am told I'm COVID-19 positive, I would definitely opt for two weeks quarantined at the house. Otherwise you're spreading it to patients and (just as importantly) fellow employees.

Originally Posted by lsllc

I just looked at the projections for required number of masks for this pandemic. One source said 500 billion.

Holy Shiite Batman!